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NoddyHolder on 20 July 2010
Sqrl said:
NoddyHolder said:
HappySqurriel said:

Yeah, a lot of posters on these forums (and throughout the internet) have been saying this for years. While there are several conspiracy theories why most governments choose such misleading methodologies to calculate statistics, the simplest and most reasonable explanation is that individuals would be less willing to support the government’s meddling in the economy if they knew how little benefit there was from it and how much damage they were doing.


bull, its Libertarian scum that are causing the problems by refusing to let the government do more to tackle the issues, if the self righteous vermin were kept well away from politics things would have gone much better.

Yeah because the things governments have done to date have been such a huge success, so obviously if they were allowed to do more of it we would be even more successful!

if they were a good, left wing government, yes they would, problem is you muppets block left wing politicians from getting in, now you are punishing the poor for wanting representation, well done.



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Sqrl on 20 July 2010
NoddyHolder said:
Sqrl said:
NoddyHolder said:
HappySqurriel said:

Yeah, a lot of posters on these forums (and throughout the internet) have been saying this for years. While there are several conspiracy theories why most governments choose such misleading methodologies to calculate statistics, the simplest and most reasonable explanation is that individuals would be less willing to support the government’s meddling in the economy if they knew how little benefit there was from it and how much damage they were doing.


bull, its Libertarian scum that are causing the problems by refusing to let the government do more to tackle the issues, if the self righteous vermin were kept well away from politics things would have gone much better.

Yeah because the things governments have done to date have been such a huge success, so obviously if they were allowed to do more of it we would be even more successful!

if they were a good, left wing government, yes they would, problem is you muppets block left wing politicians from getting in, now you are punishing the poor for wanting representation, well done.


Oh for sure. That is why places dominated by left wing politics are doing so much better than places dominated by right wing politics.  I mean look at California or Detroit, they are totally solid.  If places like Texas would follow their example they wouldn't be so bad off right now, you know what I mean?
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NoddyHolder on 20 July 2010
Sqrl said:
NoddyHolder said:
Sqrl said:
NoddyHolder said:
HappySqurriel said:

Yeah, a lot of posters on these forums (and throughout the internet) have been saying this for years. While there are several conspiracy theories why most governments choose such misleading methodologies to calculate statistics, the simplest and most reasonable explanation is that individuals would be less willing to support the government’s meddling in the economy if they knew how little benefit there was from it and how much damage they were doing.


bull, its Libertarian scum that are causing the problems by refusing to let the government do more to tackle the issues, if the self righteous vermin were kept well away from politics things would have gone much better.

Yeah because the things governments have done to date have been such a huge success, so obviously if they were allowed to do more of it we would be even more successful!

if they were a good, left wing government, yes they would, problem is you muppets block left wing politicians from getting in, now you are punishing the poor for wanting representation, well done.


Oh for sure. That is why places dominated by left wing politics are doing so much better than places dominated by right wing politics.  I mean look at California or Detroit, they are totally solid.  If places like Texas would follow their example they wouldn't be so bad off right now, you know what I mean?


ha, there is no PROPER left wing politician in the USA, you guys make sure of that, Obama is as much of a Socialist as I am an Iguana. but you guys are so pathetic you slander him as being one, which is vile and pathetic and only serves to show you ignorant USA'ians up to the rest of the world.

read up on Clement Atlee's 1945 UK government, that is as close as the USA or UK have come to some real Socialism, take your misrepresentaiton and ignorance and ram it up your self righteous arse.



Sqrl on 20 July 2010
NoddyHolder said:
Sqrl said:
NoddyHolder said:

if they were a good, left wing government, yes they would, problem is you muppets block left wing politicians from getting in, now you are punishing the poor for wanting representation, well done.


Oh for sure. That is why places dominated by left wing politics are doing so much better than places dominated by right wing politics.  I mean look at California or Detroit, they are totally solid.  If places like Texas would follow their example they wouldn't be so bad off right now, you know what I mean?


ha, there is no PROPER left wing politician in the USA, you guys make sure of that, Obama is as much of a Socialist as I am an Iguana. but you guys are so pathetic you slander him as being one, which is vile and pathetic and only serves to show you ignorant USA'ians up to the rest of the world.

read up on Clement Atlee's 1945 UK government, that is as close as the USA or UK have come to some real Socialism, take your misrepresentaiton and ignorance and ram it up your self righteous arse.

With sweet talk like that how could I not see things your way?  You had me at "ha".
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HappySqurriel on 20 July 2010
NoddyHolder said:
HappySqurriel said:

Yeah, a lot of posters on these forums (and throughout the internet) have been saying this for years. While there are several conspiracy theories why most governments choose such misleading methodologies to calculate statistics, the simplest and most reasonable explanation is that individuals would be less willing to support the government’s meddling in the economy if they knew how little benefit there was from it and how much damage they were doing.


bull, its Libertarian scum that are causing the problems by refusing to let the government do more to tackle the issues, if the self righteous vermin were kept well away from politics things would have gone much better.


Right ...

If it wasn’t for government interference through pseudo-governmental bodies like Fannie Mae, Freddy Mac and the Federal reserve and the government bailing out the banks, auto industry and airlines every decade the economy wouldn’t be in the mess it is in today. The US government can’t even seem to write simple, straightforward rules to regulate the financial industry that are universally applied that would have prevented this mess after it happened, what makes you think that they have the foresight to fix this problem without causing more problems?

A major contributing factor to this crisis was the government’s involvement in the economy to eliminate the downturns after the dot-com bubble and post-911, and you think that it is a good idea for the government to get further involved in the economy to eliminate the downturn they caused? This is kind of like arguing that BP should recklessly abandon safety and rapidly expand their drilling in the gulf to pay for the mess that they made in the gulf.

 

 

 



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NoddyHolder on 20 July 2010
HappySqurriel said:
NoddyHolder said:
HappySqurriel said:

Yeah, a lot of posters on these forums (and throughout the internet) have been saying this for years. While there are several conspiracy theories why most governments choose such misleading methodologies to calculate statistics, the simplest and most reasonable explanation is that individuals would be less willing to support the government’s meddling in the economy if they knew how little benefit there was from it and how much damage they were doing.


bull, its Libertarian scum that are causing the problems by refusing to let the government do more to tackle the issues, if the self righteous vermin were kept well away from politics things would have gone much better.


Right ...

If it wasn’t for government interference through pseudo-governmental bodies like Fannie Mae, Freddy Mac and the Federal reserve and the government bailing out the banks, auto industry and airlines every decade the economy wouldn’t be in the mess it is in today. The US government can’t even seem to write simple, straightforward rules to regulate the financial industry that are universally applied that would have prevented this mess after it happened, what makes you think that they have the foresight to fix this problem without causing more problems?

A major contributing factor to this crisis was the government’s involvement in the economy to eliminate the downturns after the dot-com bubble and post-911, and you think that it is a good idea for the government to get further involved in the economy to eliminate the downturn they caused? This is kind of like arguing that BP should recklessly abandon safety and rapidly expand their drilling in the gulf to pay for the mess that they made in the gulf.

 

 

 

they werent left wing enough, they should have put in place much tighter regulations to stop that from happening, if they were left wing (properly so) they would have done that.

edit: the problem wasnt government inteference, its that the government didnt interfere anywhere near enough, lack of regulation is because of you and your lots capitalist bull.



Sqrl on 20 July 2010
NoddyHolder said:
HappySqurriel said:


Right ...

If it wasn’t for government interference through pseudo-governmental bodies like Fannie Mae, Freddy Mac and the Federal reserve and the government bailing out the banks, auto industry and airlines every decade the economy wouldn’t be in the mess it is in today. The US government can’t even seem to write simple, straightforward rules to regulate the financial industry that are universally applied that would have prevented this mess after it happened, what makes you think that they have the foresight to fix this problem without causing more problems?

A major contributing factor to this crisis was the government’s involvement in the economy to eliminate the downturns after the dot-com bubble and post-911, and you think that it is a good idea for the government to get further involved in the economy to eliminate the downturn they caused? This is kind of like arguing that BP should recklessly abandon safety and rapidly expand their drilling in the gulf to pay for the mess that they made in the gulf.

 

 

 

they werent left wing enough, they should have put in place much tighter regulations to stop that from happening, if they were left wing (properly so) they would have done that.

edit: the problem wasnt government inteference, its that the government didnt interfere anywhere near enough, lack of regulation is because of you and your lots capitalist bull.

Any specifics you can point to?  Or is this just true because you said so?
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HappySqurriel on 20 July 2010
NoddyHolder said:
HappySqurriel said:
NoddyHolder said:
HappySqurriel said:

Yeah, a lot of posters on these forums (and throughout the internet) have been saying this for years. While there are several conspiracy theories why most governments choose such misleading methodologies to calculate statistics, the simplest and most reasonable explanation is that individuals would be less willing to support the government’s meddling in the economy if they knew how little benefit there was from it and how much damage they were doing.


bull, its Libertarian scum that are causing the problems by refusing to let the government do more to tackle the issues, if the self righteous vermin were kept well away from politics things would have gone much better.


Right ...

If it wasn’t for government interference through pseudo-governmental bodies like Fannie Mae, Freddy Mac and the Federal reserve and the government bailing out the banks, auto industry and airlines every decade the economy wouldn’t be in the mess it is in today. The US government can’t even seem to write simple, straightforward rules to regulate the financial industry that are universally applied that would have prevented this mess after it happened, what makes you think that they have the foresight to fix this problem without causing more problems?

A major contributing factor to this crisis was the government’s involvement in the economy to eliminate the downturns after the dot-com bubble and post-911, and you think that it is a good idea for the government to get further involved in the economy to eliminate the downturn they caused? This is kind of like arguing that BP should recklessly abandon safety and rapidly expand their drilling in the gulf to pay for the mess that they made in the gulf.

 

 

 

they werent left wing enough, they should have put in place much tighter regulations to stop that from happening, if they were left wing (properly so) they would have done that.

edit: the problem wasnt government inteference, its that the government didnt interfere anywhere near enough, lack of regulation is because of you and your lots capitalist bull.

Regulation is not a left wing or right wing concept ...

The government set up rules and regulations to promote home ownership among groups of individuals who did not have the means to purchase a home; and banks were being sued for not authorizing loans to people who couldn’t pay them off. That doesn’t sound like a very conservative policy approach to me.

 

There is nothing wrong with having reasonable regulations, like limiting mortgages to amortization periods of 25 years or less, eliminating teaser rates, requiring a 10% down-payment on a primary residence (25% or a secondary residence or investment property), having a capital reserve requirement of 10%, disallowing the creation of derivatives that can not be easily converted into their underlying assets, and putting effective oversight on pseudo-governmental organizations like Fannie-Mae, Freddy Mac and the Federal Reserve. On one side of one page of a recipe-card everything that needs to be done to prevent this crisis from being duplicated can be listed, and yet in dozens of pages of legislation none of these things were implemented.

 

Regardless of the political party, governments are incompetent or corrupt and their involvement in the economy only causes more problems than it fixes.



TheRealMafoo on 20 July 2010

@HappySqurriel

You can't fix stupid. I stopped responding to that guy after I realized he has no idea how the world works. Give him 10 years, and then start debating with him. Right now, it's just a lost cause.

@OP yea, but we have known that for years. THe real numbers are reported if you go to the right sources. I think that fake Fox News right wing propaganda site has been saying this, and reporting the accurate numbers all along (even when Bush was in office).

Want to see something even worse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPkTItOXuN0



NoddyHolder on 20 July 2010
TheRealMafoo said:

@HappySqurriel

You can't fix stupid. I stopped responding to that guy after I realized he has no idea how the world works. Give him 10 years, and then start debating with him. Right now, it's just a lost cause.

@OP yea, but we have known that for years. THe real numbers are reported if you go to the right sources. I think that fake Fox News right wing propaganda site has been saying this, and reporting the accurate numbers all along (even when Bush was in office).

Want to see something even worse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPkTItOXuN0

wow, seriously, you people are truly pathetic