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GodOfWar_3ever said:
Vetteman94 said:

Did nen ever show a night actions chart?   Im just curious to see who sabby, the SK,  targeted.

He won the award for "serial chicken"...he hadn't killed anyone cause he was afraid of being investigated

I did target Stefl on night 4 but he didn't die...

I also regret not killing noname...I could tell he was MAfia when he set out to get me.




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Vetteman94 said:

So you would have had him roleclaim, which would have sent him to his grave anyway?   Which is the other reason I mentioned not to force a lynch,  forcing a powerful townie to roleclaim early on is suicide for that player.  Not to mention how would roleclaiming deputy be useful?  The mintue the real cop comes forward the mafia targets him and kills him rendering him useless.  But you obviously never thought that far ahead.

You arent handing anything to the mafia,  in fact you are actually taking away one more dead body that they cant use to benefit themselves.   With the chances to hit mafia at the slimmest chance possible in the game, we went for it and of course failed. 

I already admitted I was wrong about my choices,  did it a few times in the game,  I just dont regret my choices.  And my choices didnt cost the town the game, we had plenty of opportunities to win after that.   My choices cost the town no more than yours did though. 

My history is you twice, once where it was absolutely justified, and WoW???  Thats funny, I have always said I dont like people who try and take control of a game,  WoW always did this.  But not liking people trying to control the game and flat out disagreeing with someone are two different things. It happened early on this game as well,  both died though and would you look at that they both were Mafia.   Again if thats all you can come up with then there is no history, a few situations doenst make it a constant, especially with the number of game I have played.

That comment was for the general case.  He could have at least not given up.  If he did role claim, the doctor could have kept him alive until the cop either role claimed or died, however.  Going forward, I hope he has learned how to play a more pro-town game from the start.

Yes, you hand an extra kill to the mafia with two no lynches in a single game.  You may hand them an extra kill with just a single no lynch depending on the number of players and number of night kills.

"My choices cost the town no more than yours did though."  That's just delusional.  Shall I bother to compare our night actions?  Your Day Two No Lynch idea had little to no support regardless of what I said anyway.

Those are not the only cases.  I've seen it multiple times per game, and I've seen others point it out as well.  I'm not going digging though, so I suppose I will drop this point.



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sabby_e17 said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Vetteman94 said:

Did nen ever show a night actions chart?   Im just curious to see who sabby, the SK,  targeted.

He won the award for "serial chicken"...he hadn't killed anyone cause he was afraid of being investigated

I did target Stefl on night 4 but he didn't die...

I also regret not killing noname...I could tell he was MAfia when he set out to get me.


Did you target anyone else?



theRepublic said:
Vetteman94 said:

So you would have had him roleclaim, which would have sent him to his grave anyway?   Which is the other reason I mentioned not to force a lynch,  forcing a powerful townie to roleclaim early on is suicide for that player.  Not to mention how would roleclaiming deputy be useful?  The mintue the real cop comes forward the mafia targets him and kills him rendering him useless.  But you obviously never thought that far ahead.

You arent handing anything to the mafia,  in fact you are actually taking away one more dead body that they cant use to benefit themselves.   With the chances to hit mafia at the slimmest chance possible in the game, we went for it and of course failed. 

I already admitted I was wrong about my choices,  did it a few times in the game,  I just dont regret my choices.  And my choices didnt cost the town the game, we had plenty of opportunities to win after that.   My choices cost the town no more than yours did though. 

My history is you twice, once where it was absolutely justified, and WoW???  Thats funny, I have always said I dont like people who try and take control of a game,  WoW always did this.  But not liking people trying to control the game and flat out disagreeing with someone are two different things. It happened early on this game as well,  both died though and would you look at that they both were Mafia.   Again if thats all you can come up with then there is no history, a few situations doenst make it a constant, especially with the number of game I have played.

That comment was for the general case.  He could have at least not given up.  If he did role claim, the doctor could have kept him alive until the cop either role claimed or died, however.  Going forward, I hope he has learned how to play a more pro-town game from the start.

Yes, you hand an extra kill to the mafia with two no lynches in a single game.  You may hand them an extra kill with just a single no lynch depending on the number of players and number of night kills.

"My choices cost the town no more than yours did though."  That's just delusional.  Shall I bother to compare our night actions?  Your Day Two No Lynch idea had little to no support regardless of what I said anyway.

Those are not the only cases.  I've seen it multiple times per game, and I've seen others point it out as well.  I'm not going digging though, so I suppose I will drop this point.

 

Yes lets compare our night actions.   Your first night you got nothing of use to the town, and you ended up dead the second night.   So you were pretty much useless to the town,  what was your point in bringing that up?     Sure my night actions didnt exactly help the town either but look at it from your perspective, at least I didnt give my killing power to the mafia by not killing. 

I wasnt arguing whether it has support or not,  although a couple people did mention it was a good idea,  I was arguing that it was what was best for the town at that moment.  Which it was,  there is absolute zero doubt about that.



Stefl1504 said:
sabby_e17 said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Vetteman94 said:

Did nen ever show a night actions chart?   Im just curious to see who sabby, the SK,  targeted.

He won the award for "serial chicken"...he hadn't killed anyone cause he was afraid of being investigated

I did target Stefl on night 4 but he didn't die...

I also regret not killing noname...I could tell he was MAfia when he set out to get me.


Did you target anyone else?


No.




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Vetteman94 said:

Yes lets compare our night actions.   Your first night you got nothing of use to the town, and you ended up dead the second night.   So you were pretty much useless to the town,  what was your point in bringing that up?     Sure my night actions didnt exactly help the town either but look at it from your perspective, at least I didnt give my killing power to the mafia by not killing. 

I wasnt arguing whether it has support or not,  although a couple people did mention it was a good idea,  I was arguing that it was what was best for the town at that moment.  Which it was,  there is absolute zero doubt about that.

I identified two mafia, was going to identify a third, and the only reason I didn't was because you killed me.  You killed two pro-town players, one being the cop and the other some power role I don't quite remember.  You hurt the town bad, and had you not killed me, I would have been a major asset to the town.  You turned out to be nothing more than a major liability.

Lynching Day Two was the right move.  It won't always work out, but it is better than handing a kill to the mafia.  You can't score if you never shoot.



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theRepublic said:
Vetteman94 said:

Yes lets compare our night actions.   Your first night you got nothing of use to the town, and you ended up dead the second night.   So you were pretty much useless to the town,  what was your point in bringing that up?     Sure my night actions didnt exactly help the town either but look at it from your perspective, at least I didnt give my killing power to the mafia by not killing. 

I wasnt arguing whether it has support or not,  although a couple people did mention it was a good idea,  I was arguing that it was what was best for the town at that moment.  Which it was,  there is absolute zero doubt about that.

I identified two mafia, was going to identify a third, and the only reason I didn't was because you killed me.  You killed two pro-town players, one being the cop and the other some power role I don't quite remember.  You hurt the town bad, and had you not killed me, I would have been a major asset to the town.  You turned out to be nothing more than a major liability.

Lynching Day Two was the right move.  It won't always work out, but it is better than handing a kill to the mafia.  You can't score if you never shoot.

The other player I killed was just a townie,  and no you didn't identify 2 mafia and its only your claims that you were going to identify a third one,  you could have changed your mind through the third day.  The first night the one you investigated turned up dead,  so you cant claim anything from that one.  Plus the damage of you dying wouldnt have been too bad had you not pushed to lynch the deputy. And being the fact that there was a deputy you were replaceable.  So don't overvalue yourself.  

Your saying is true though   "You can't score if you never shoot",  But why force a bad shot when you dont have too and you are winning?    Which is exactly what that was, a very bad shot.   



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Anyways, I wonder if nen is gonna make that night chart...



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c03n3nj0 said:

Anyways, I wonder if nen is gonna make that night chart...

I was hoping he would but it doesnt seem like he will