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Wait a second, Sonic on Wii might be the best 3d sonic in a while but it was still a half ass game, you basically ran through the same 8 levels doing different boring things if they hadn't gone that way and made a whole game with more levels and not so much repetition it could have been very good.

 The next Wii sonic game could be great based on the core of the Secret Rings game, Red Steel is atrocious and Rabbids is an ok game but that's not the kind of game that really stands out (especially next to Warioware), same applies to Super Monkey Balls. We don't know much about Nights and boogie yet so claiming that those are gonna be great is just premature.

 There aren't any big 3rd party games being announced for the Wii yet, all the games previously mentioned are secondary games for those respective companies. By big games I mean the kind of projects like Mass Effect or Lair, big epic games (or at least attempts at them, won't know how good these are till I actually play 'em.

 

There is also the danger of seeing too many kids games being sent to the Wii because of its appeal to the casual gamer, add to that games that are trying to do the same thing over and over again (minigame collections, there are already too many on the Wii for this short of a time). 

 

Until any publisher other than Nintendo actually makes use of the Wii either for big budget projects (Twilight Princess) or successfully makes a highly entertaining and well crafted game using hte Wii's unique controls  (Warioware, Wii Sports), I still won't consider the Wii having a strong 3rd party lineup...

 

Don't come and name me this or that game being released by other companies to prove that the 3rd party is actually strong for Wii. A large number of crappy, sub par, average or decent games doesn't make it so... 

 As for appealing to the mass market, games can be that and still be great games (again, Wii sports and Warioware), but we all know Nintendo does that better than anyone else and it seems to be staying that way for now.



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The problem with 3rd parties is that thy dont know yet what to do with Wiis conrols. Or maybe they havent had the time to think that. The real interest in Wii (for developers) has been since E3 -06. 3rd parties still have the projects for other consoles, so they need to finish them and they also want money from Wiis success. So its either fast money from shitty games or make a bigger project and lose the opportunity to make money when there is not much competition. We will see big projects on Wii, after developers are finished the curren big projects. And how do you count a big project? By the amount of money invested? Then we possibly wont see big projects on Wii, maybe two smaller, which each with the same gameplay value than on one big project on 360 or PS3. Sonic statement about how bad it was, wasnt very good when comparing it to other 7G consoles Sonic. If it were crappy, other Sonics were more crappier. If Sega isnt focusing on Wii, Sega is focusing even less to Wiis competitors. Thats the point. Nintendo had a lowsy 3rd party support on GC, while Sony had the best. So, everything towards Nintendo is winning for them. Every console, which is most popular of its gen, gets the crappiest 3rd party titles, but also the best. Its a situation of win and lose. PS2 had really nothing when it was released. Or PSX. Or 360. Or PS3.



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Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

Having lots of 3rd party games are good, crappy or non crappy. PS2 had a lot of 3rd party games, and a lot of them were crappy. It comes with the territory.

 



Kwaad said:

Rayman is exclusive to the Wii? That's news to me!

 

Second, crappy 3rd party games sell horrible? I'd say all 3rd party games sell horrible.

Rayman - Wii - 375,250
Rayman - 360 - wtf? no sales data?

madden - 360 - 1,554,750 - 70%
madden - PS3 - 335,250 - 15.2%
madden - Wii - 311,250 - 14.1%

NFS: Carbon - 360 - 512,000 - 62%
NFS: Carbon - PS3 - 185,500 - 22.5%
NFS: Carbon - Wii - 128,250 - 15.5%

360 - 5,692,750 - 63% total
Wii - 2,107,500 - 26.8% total
PS3 - 1,160,500 - 13% total

Total next gen consoles: 8,960,750

Why on next gen multiplatform game sales... is the Wii at the bottom? The percents mean alot. Becuase the Wii has almost double the sales. It should at least be BETTER than PS3. 

Rayman excist on the PS2 also...I have a question here why do we keep looking at the games that Wii has that has sold bad (and NFS is crap on Wii)? Xbox360 is clearly selling more software than Wii, but as I pointed out in the other 3rd party thread, that isn't the case for PS3 however. Why did we chose NFS as the second title? Why no CoD3 Wii that has outsold the PS3 version, or even more important why aren't we looking at the whole picture. I posted this before in another thread as usuall the "3rd party doesn't sell on Wii crowd" ingnored the post:
robjoh said:

If Wii 3rd party sales is bad than what is it for PS3? An exclusive game as RR7 has only sold 98500 copies meanwhile an exclusive game on Wii, Red Steel has sold 335k, and that is only one of the Wii exclusives that has sold more. Even a low budgett game as Trauma Center has sold more than RR7.

This stupid mantra, 3rd party doesn't sell on Wii, starts to get on my nerv. Because the simple fact that they do. Even the damn quick cash in seems to sell. Or what do you say about Rampage: Total Destruction, a quick GC port, selling 95500. Yes only 3k less than RR7. Which game do you think cost the most to do?

This games will be mediocre because Wii is week is also an opinion not a fact. You don't need Unreal 3 to do nice looking games, but of course you are a part of the Sony Defense (happy Ben?) Force and can't understand that.

Damn this post sounds so childish that I can't stand it myself, but honestly read the numbers and then state the truth or don't be a part of the discussion. The truth so far is that 3rd partys is anouncing new 3rd exclusivs for Wii not PS3. Might that be because of the good software sales on Wii? Or do you actuly think that 3rd parties would support Wii if their sales was bad?

To end the discussion let me post the same thing I have said before to you:

3rd party software on Wii (USA): 3 games above 300k, 3 games above 200k, 5 games above, 100k
3rd party software on PS3 (USA): 1 game above 300k, 1 game above 200k, 6 games above 100k
Or why not: Total software sales on PS3 (that is all publishers including Sony) = 2,684,750
3rd party software sales on Wii (only 3rd parties, no Nintendo) = 3,346,250.
Why should any 3rd party make games for PS3?
If you should have the discussion as above, mention xbox360 and PC because PS3 isn't selling anything at all.

EDIT: I don't belive you will answer this post Hus but it would be nice if you would do that, mayby explain why Wii is such a bad choice or something!

Well Hus never answered, mayby you can Kwaad.

 



 

 

Buy it and pray to the gods of Sigs: Naznatips!

How is the chance of 3rd party games killing the wii a bad thing?  I would see this as an upside! Wii is already killing games for the 360 and PS3 by forcing game makers to make games at the lowest common denominator, this is causing gamemakers to have to limit what they do for other systems and making them leaave out advancments...Maybe the gamemaker resent this and want nintendo to pay. I mean the wii has 88mb of memory compared to about 512 for the other 2......Thats not the harddrive..which the wii doesn't have.



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PS360N64PSXBOX said:
How is the chance of 3rd party games killing the wii a bad thing?  I would see this as an upside! Wii is already killing games for the 360 and PS3 by forcing game makers to make games at the lowest common denominator, this is causing gamemakers to have to limit what they do for other systems and making them leaave out advancments...Maybe the gamemaker resent this and want nintendo to pay. I mean the wii has 88mb of memory compared to about 512 for the other 2......Thats not the harddrive..which the wii doesn't have.
  1. Why am I feeding the trolls.
  2. Do you mean that just because Wii is selling good, xbox360 wont get another Lost Planet or Dead Rising? I think we can easily say that xbox360 can stand on its own legs.

 



 

 

Buy it and pray to the gods of Sigs: Naznatips!

maybe nintendo should not allow the third parties to release more than five games for the wii per year... hmm... i think i have heard that before...

for those who didn't understand, with this rule, nintendo tried to ensure the quality of snes-games. i think they are not happy with the quality of third party games on the wii right now, but they learnt from snes-days that you can't force third parties to make good games, and that it is better to have bad games instead of having no games.



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People buy the Wii then Wiisports to play it ,at least in Japan ,in US it would be Zelda .Then they need a second controller and they buy Wiiplay .Then we find the void .......decent sales in US but nothing remarkable ( along the PS3 a bit less in most multiplattform but with double the hardware sold is twice worse ) and crap sales in Japan where things like Path of Radiance have made discret debuts and others as Sonic ,Dragonball ,Shin Chan,Gundam  etc have flopped big time .



Diomedes1976 said:

 

 

People buy the Wii then Wiisports to play it ,at least in Japan ,in US it would be Zelda .Then they need a second controller and they buy Wiiplay .Then we find the void .......decent sales in US but nothing remarkable ( along the PS3 a bit less in most multiplattform but with double the hardware sold is twice worse ) and crap sales in Japan where things like Path of Radiance have made discret debuts and others as Sonic ,Dragonball ,Shin Chan,Gundam  etc have flopped big time .

Mayby Diomedes also should read my post above about the Wii vs PS3 3rd party sales. Hint: The total 3rd party software sales on Wii has sold more than all software sales on PS3, yes including sony games.

 



 

 

Buy it and pray to the gods of Sigs: Naznatips!

Kwaad said:

Rayman is exclusive to the Wii? That's news to me!

 

Second, crappy 3rd party games sell horrible? I'd say all 3rd party games sell horrible.

Rayman - Wii - 375,250
Rayman - 360 - wtf? no sales data?

madden - 360 - 1,554,750 - 70%
madden - PS3 - 335,250 - 15.2%
madden - Wii - 311,250 - 14.1%

NFS: Carbon - 360 - 512,000 - 62%
NFS: Carbon - PS3 - 185,500 - 22.5%
NFS: Carbon - Wii - 128,250 - 15.5%

360 - 5,692,750 - 63% total
Wii - 2,107,500 - 26.8% total
PS3 - 1,160,500 - 13% total

Total next gen consoles: 8,960,750

Why on next gen multiplatform game sales... is the Wii at the bottom? The percents mean alot. Becuase the Wii has almost double the sales. It should at least be BETTER than PS3.


 some good stuff right there.