Two things:

1. Nintendo is the dominant gaming brand by a considerable margin at the moment.

2. How has MS been watching sales go downhill when the Xbox 360 is -1% year over year and will peak into positive territory within the next few weeks?

I don't think that is a good idea for sony to be last to luanch a P$ console the 720n and wii 2 will be more advance and on par with ps3

Except in almost every gen of consoles, the first out of the gate is never the one who comes in first.  The Saturn released a few months ahead of the PS1 in all regions.  The Dreamcast launched around a year and a half ahead of the PS2.  Even if you go back to the SNES era, you'll see the Sega Genesis launched a whole 2 years ahead of the SNES, but still ended up losing.  And even this gen, Nintendo is on top, even though the Wii launched a year after the 360.

I think the most that Sony will allow between them in the competition will be a year, though.  But, this time with declining prices and advancements of Blu-ray and Cell technology, the PS4 can be both advanced and affordable.  I would imagine the most it will launch at is $399-$499.

1. Nintendo is for casual gamers, no one cares about them. They don't impact anything in the HD wars. All the Wii is moms buying a bad system for their kids cause it's "safe" and "clean". Even with so many systems sold, their Software sales suffer. Enough about no-one-cares-Nintendo.

2. In 2008, the 360 sold just up of 11 million units. In 2009 they are down by 800,000 units sold. This year they are following the same trend (patern) even with the 360S release and the 200/250 buck price drop of the old model. These are the models that are confirmed to pick up 360 sales, not the 360S like people claimed earlier on.

In 2008, PS3 sold upward of 9.7 million units, and grew to over 12.5 million units. A number the 360 has never reached, especially now in its decline. PS3 is up from their numbers last year to this point, the 360 is down. All the numbers suggest this, it's ignorant to be a fanboy and ignore the fact that MS only holds interest in the States because of their earlier hardware release. Americans got comfy with the system of choice, the world moves to superior hardware, and Sony is the hardware world leader without contest.

In 2008, when MS reached 11 M sold units, this doesn't compare to Sony's 2008 year numbers (9.7 M). MS comparison comes to 7.8 M units to Sony's 9.7 M in the same time period. Sony has outsold Microsoft every year from release, including this years lead of 1 million units. It's true that MS might peak the loss this year for a small period due to old 360 model price drops, but than they will drop off in price when it's most important to sell well, at Christmas time. Sony can finish this year easily with 2-3 M units sold more than MS, than only be down 2 M units total which will be overtaken the next year without question. So how is MS going down? Check the damn numbers and facts instead of being a fanboy and making them up.

PS: Don't even try to tell me about Kinect/Natal, it's already said that 4/100 people are even interested in Kinect. Kinects and Move's respective audience is irrelivant right now, and Move is actually the safe bet. We all can at least admit this part. Price of Kinect and Move need to go way down, or it will be like they don't even exist.

You are correct, business is done like that everyday. Sprint was the first to have cam phones, vid phones, 4g, 3g but as we can see that all companies use that tech....but no one is calling verizon, att, tmobile biters.

lol, how, you ask?

Let me explain, please. Hear me out.

Last generation the Playstation brand was achieving new heights. The other consoles were piss drops in the bucket tha was the PS2. MS was just entering into the market, and Nintendo was seemingly on its way out of the home console busness.

Then MS decided to release its next console a year before the PS3.

Because of this, it garnered a lot of 3rd party supporters who were working on their console and only their console, because developers like to work on state of the art shit. They are techies after all and they like new stuff. They jumped on board.

Now the Playstation brand is at an all time low. Their consoles respectively are dead last, and  both have only relatively recently garnered widespread respect from the gaming community as valid core consoles. The PS3 particularly, was a running joke for its first 1.5 years on the market. The brand has turned from solid gold leading the videogame industry to a 3rd place brand in a 3 man race.

They permanently lost their dominance over America, and they will never get that back. For the forseeable future, they will stay third there. That happens to also be the location where most of the big money multiplats are produced, and the spot that most people worldwide target first for revenue.

THIS upcoming generation, they don't have the advantage of a superior brand, instead they have the gimp of an inferior brand in North America at least. If they launch late again, the brand name won't help them stage a late game face save like it's done this generation.

It would be vastly stupid not to at least lend some creedence to the theory that launching early helps, because it obviously does. That is a main reason it's been so doom and gloom for the PSP over the 3DS fiasco. The 3DS is supremely awesome, and it's getting a huge unfettered foothold in the next gen handheld market. There is no competition, and getting to the game late in busniess is not good.

Sony needs to realize the next gen does not start when they say it does. They need to react to competition, instead of expecting to win no matter what, and maybe they wouldn't always be losing to everyone lately, like Nintendo, Microsoft,  and Samsung.

Just wanted to let you know that you are the biggest idiot in this thread;

You said that the PS2 sold more than 120M and you expect the PS3 to sell similar? Well that's dead wrong mate, because the reason the PS2 sold so many units was because of the casual gamers you seem to hate or call irrelevant. The genius behind the Wii is that it has made people upgrade from the PS2 and not go to the PS3 or XBOX 360 like Sony and Microsoft were expecting, but head to Nintendo because the new fun games that appealed to them were on the Wii. 

Also please tell me how the Wii doesn't effect Sony's and Microsoft's business?

Publishers are going to support the console with the highest userbase. They didn't get in on the Wii early enough but just look at the 3DS, everyone is jumping on it with games like Saints Row, Metal Gear Solid, Street Fighter, Resident Evil and Kingdom Hearts all being developed for it (some with the HD development teams), Why? Because the DS is a brand they can bank on. The Wii is now a brand they can bank on and so you can expect many publishers to jump ship to the Wii 2 next generation, which will impact both Sony and Microsoft. 

It's also clear that Sony and Microsoft see the Wii effecting their business because they're releasing motion controllers. You seem to think they're releasing them just because they can? Did you watch the E3 press conferences? They were the headline of both companies E3's. They have full marketing campaigns behind them and Microsoft have said that they launch of Kinect will feel like the launch of a new console. Seems pretty important don't you think?

Wii is the PS2 of this generation, the sooner you accept that the better.. PS3 may be your favorite system, it's currently my favorite system, but you aren't the world.

Wow, I guess next gen will be the first gen I switch loyalties to the Microsoft. Even though I owned the Xbox and the 360 I always gave most of my money to Sony. Times change though because a Kid I only played Nintendo.

That's kind of ridiculous.. To say Sony can never gain dominance in a region ever again? Here in Australia, the GameCube sold something ridiculous like less than 10% of the PS2 and yet Nintendo is now the dominant force once again. Nintendo didn't have the advantage of a superior brand either you know.

How about the thing that people seem to forget time and time again? PS3 and Wii both launched at the same time. Both Wii and PS3 were a year late. One became the market leader and one lost most of it's marketshare. Clearly being a year late has absolutely no effect on it's own. 

I still believe Nintendo are going to rape the others next gen but your arguments are weak.

Nice, you TROLL. You repressent everything that is wrong with the games industry today.

Have fun following a LOSING war, meanwhile Nintendo will be laughing all the way to the bank.

You elitest HD snobs never cease to amaze me with your misplaced arrogance.