You don't know me very well. I was born poor, and worked my ass off my entire life to get what I have. There are many people in this thread that don't agree with me that I have debated for years. None of them would call me pretentious.

Also, I did not mention this current administration. I also said I started looking at this 3 years ago. The current administration was not in power back then.

If I thought the problem was just the current administration, the answer is to just replace them. I am very confident that's going to happen in 2012, but the problems are not going to go away. American will fail unless something radical happens, and neither the Republican or Democratic parties are going to be the answer.

In some ways yes, in other ways not so much ...

In the United States you have one of the biggest, most corrupt and over-reaching governments; that spends as much on social programs and has as high of taxes as any "Socialist" nation; and has more bureaucracy and red-tape as the most bureaucratic nations around the world. The interests of large corporations, unions and the ultra wealthy are protected while the high-income "Rich" (often small business owner) are bled dry.

While the United States may remain a very socially conservative nation, the fact that it is one of the least fiscally conservative nations and has completely abandoned the concept of small efficient government that is at the center of most conservative ideology, it is difficult to argue that it is much of a conservative nation at all.

Very interesting points brought up. I live in Canada and while I wish it were better off, well it's not by much. I've heard lot's of internet friends and acquittance's losing jobs and some careers. I've heard a lot of horror stories too. One anecdotal story of course. Is that a iFriend(:P) of mine went to a job agency. Out of their entire office of many desks only two people were their. The reason for two of them was because of insurance or business laws. There was however no jobs in his area. I'm not going to go into what will fix or where the problem is. I will agree with one statement. The only effective change for the better will be a radical change and it's going to hurt for a while. As it is the current elected are more in place to bring back stability than actually fixing the problem.

In the mean time. So you say that New Zealand is a nice place. I've always wanted to have a small business and I don't have a lot of personal effects that I want. Most of the stuff I do want are only a few boxes. Though I doubt I'll end up in NZ. I have been wanting to just move especially when our economy starts to make it's next heavy dip.

Well good luck in NZ hope you have the time of your life there

You'd be surprised.... the USA might actually have a Higher progressive tax system.

The US is actually much more progressive tax wise then the UK.  It just doesn't seem that way because taxes are high on EVERYBODY in the UK.

Man, If Macain had won the election I would have left for Canada. Good luck to you.

Also if a Republican beats Obama in the next election, hello British Columbia.

The US  economy is going down and things will get worse over there. The high tax increases in 2011 to claw back the bail outs given to failing banks and corporations. This will hurt the US economy. The flow on impact upon Europe will be catastrophic. UK recently implemented economic austerity measures which will hurt the economy. Cutting budgets and reducing debt may not stop the economy from re-entering recession over in the UK. Unemployment rates will increase in both the US and the UK when the governments increase taxes. 

Banks in the US: Golden Sacks, CitiGroup and Leyland Brothers. spelling? They have a lot to answer for for all their scamming and using billions of government bail out money on bonuses. Billions in bonuses handed out to CEOs, directors and fund managers for losing trillions! Rewarding failure. 

Tax payers are spewing in the US that their taxes are being used to bail out white collar psychopathic criminals. Communist/Socialist governments stealing tax payers money, stealing funds from superannuation and pensions to fund the Corporate criminals to lose the money all over again. 

Get out of the US while you still can. Property values are expected to fall even lower when the double dip recession hits in 2011/12. 

congrats on one of the worst posts I've ever seen on this forum. And I've been a member for two years and a lurker for 4 years. 

I hope to go oversea's someday. Good luck my freind.

Why?  The government gave them the money, and they proceeded to waste it.  The government gave them that money so they were free to do with it whatever they wanted.

It's just proof WHY bailouts don't work.  Your giving more money to the same jackasses who messed up in the first place.

It'd be like if you tried to solve your friend's gambling or drug problems by giving him more money... it doesn't work.  The money doesn't go to food or rent, it goes to gambling or drugs.

Still the moment i give my friend some money... it's now their money to do with what they want. 

It was the governments fault for not putting restrictions on the money, or better yet... just letting the banks fail.

To try and put in retroactive laws or penalties is a HUGE abuse of power.