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irstupid said:
Hynad said:
irstupid said:
Hynad said:
irstupid said:
 

and we are not solely arguing sales, we are arguing that personal tastes don't also correlate to quality

just because you don't like Barbies Pony Fun Ride doesn't mean it can't be a quality game. 

You can argue that all you want.  But would you argue that Uncharted 2, Little Big Planet, Killzone 2 or God of War 3 have reached a really high ground quality wise (in their own respective game genres), regardless of your personal bias for Nintendo?

no, god of war 3 seemed the same as its predicessors, uncharted is alike a mix of many old games (prince of persia, tomb raider, assassins creed, indiana jones), killzone 2 is a shitty fps.  I will say lbp is a neat creative game on the console, but the others i dn't see anything special at all in them besides visuals.

visuals are 1 small piece of a bigger puzzle in what makes a game a great quality fun game.

So, apllying some of your own criterias, Zelda, Super Mario seires and especially Mario Kart are not quality titles since no matter how fun they are, they're still more of the same. ¬_¬


no i was talking individual games.  what makes uncharted 2 so much better than uncharted 1?  what makes god of war 3 better than its predicessors?  If god of war 1 & 2 weren't the top dogs, genre defining hack and slash games before, why is god of war 3 now that?   When Killzone 1 sucked ass and come killzone 2 is has much worse controls than most other fps out on market how come it is top dog?

i'm not saying these games aren't good, i'm just curious what made them top dog NOW


UC2 is better than UC1 in many ways, the graphics, the flow of the story, the game mechanics, the pacing, the beautiful backgrounds, the non-waxed look that made the first one look like a cartoon and more of an eye pleasing joyride that's not in shades of gray like so many games this gen.

God of War3 however, not really a better game, but better presentation through hardware power, and they didn't even max the efficiency of that engine yet, but imo not a better game, the same as the old ones at most, and very anti-climatic at the end which ruined the awesome start to second half mid way, maybe it was time constraint, maybe they ran out of resources and had to get the game out, but it could have been better.

KZ3, FPS on consoles, yawnnn.... imo anyways.



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Answer this. What makes Galaxy 2 so much better than the first game?



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Hynad said:

Answer this. What makes Galaxy 2 so much better than the first game?


It's scientific proven. Yoshi's presence makes a game 178% better.



irstupid said:
Hynad said:
irstupid said:
Hynad said:
irstupid said:
 

and we are not solely arguing sales, we are arguing that personal tastes don't also correlate to quality

just because you don't like Barbies Pony Fun Ride doesn't mean it can't be a quality game. 

You can argue that all you want.  But would you argue that Uncharted 2, Little Big Planet, Killzone 2 or God of War 3 have reached a really high ground quality wise (in their own respective game genres), regardless of your personal bias for Nintendo?

no, god of war 3 seemed the same as its predicessors, uncharted is alike a mix of many old games (prince of persia, tomb raider, assassins creed, indiana jones), killzone 2 is a shitty fps.  I will say lbp is a neat creative game on the console, but the others i dn't see anything special at all in them besides visuals.

visuals are 1 small piece of a bigger puzzle in what makes a game a great quality fun game.

So, apllying some of your own criterias, Zelda, Super Mario seires and especially Mario Kart are not quality titles since no matter how fun they are, they're still more of the same. ¬_¬


no i was talking individual games.  what makes uncharted 2 so much better than uncharted 1?  what makes god of war 3 better than its predicessors?  If god of war 1 & 2 weren't the top dogs, genre defining hack and slash games before, why is god of war 3 now the top dog when it is the same as those?   When Killzone 1 sucked ass and come killzone 2 which has much worse controls than most other fps out on market how come it is top dog?

i'm not saying these games aren't good, i'm just curious what made them top dog NOW.  What did they add in these sequals that made them go from Zero to Hero.  (figure of speech, they weren't zero's before)


Uncharted added depth and fluidity to the gameplay, as well as a pretty cool online mode. It also really immersed you in that "indiana Jones movie" feel that the first one went for but fell a bit short. 

Killzone sucked, 2 was good. A lot of that can be chalked up to sony buying guerilla and guerilla getting more experience than when they made killzone, which was their first game. In the first killzone, you couldn't even jump for instance. And the KZ2 controls are great, to me its the closest a console game has gotten to giving the feel of PC and mouse. 

I don't know what you're saying about God of war. Its been top dog of hack and slash since the first one. Only DMC and NG compared and they weren't better, just more difficult. Don't get me wrong, I love all 3, but GoW was definitely the best reviewed and most beloved of the bunch. 



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"what makes god of war 3 better than its predicessors?  If god of war 1 & 2 weren't the top dogs, genre defining hack and slash games before, why is god of war 3 now the top dog when it is the same as those?"

Easy: the graphics. God of War is a series whose primary purpose is to wow you with the sheer visual spectacle of killing things in grotesque and badass ways. Graphics don't matter for all games, but for some they certainly do matter.



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dahuman said:
irstupid said:
Hynad said:
irstupid said:
Hynad said:
irstupid said:
 

and we are not solely arguing sales, we are arguing that personal tastes don't also correlate to quality

just because you don't like Barbies Pony Fun Ride doesn't mean it can't be a quality game. 

You can argue that all you want.  But would you argue that Uncharted 2, Little Big Planet, Killzone 2 or God of War 3 have reached a really high ground quality wise (in their own respective game genres), regardless of your personal bias for Nintendo?

no, god of war 3 seemed the same as its predicessors, uncharted is alike a mix of many old games (prince of persia, tomb raider, assassins creed, indiana jones), killzone 2 is a shitty fps.  I will say lbp is a neat creative game on the console, but the others i dn't see anything special at all in them besides visuals.

visuals are 1 small piece of a bigger puzzle in what makes a game a great quality fun game.

So, apllying some of your own criterias, Zelda, Super Mario seires and especially Mario Kart are not quality titles since no matter how fun they are, they're still more of the same. ¬_¬


no i was talking individual games.  what makes uncharted 2 so much better than uncharted 1?  what makes god of war 3 better than its predicessors?  If god of war 1 & 2 weren't the top dogs, genre defining hack and slash games before, why is god of war 3 now that?   When Killzone 1 sucked ass and come killzone 2 is has much worse controls than most other fps out on market how come it is top dog?

i'm not saying these games aren't good, i'm just curious what made them top dog NOW


UC2 is better than UC1 in many ways, the graphics, the flow of the story, the game mechanics, the pacing, the beautiful backgrounds, the non-waxed look that made the first one look like a cartoon and more of an eye pleasing joyride that's not in shades of gray like so many games this gen.

God of War3 however, not really a better game, but better presentation through hardware power, and they didn't even max the efficiency of that engine yet, but imo not a better game, the same as the old ones at most, and very anti-climatic at the end which ruined the awesome start to second half mid way, maybe it was time constraint, maybe they ran out of resources and had to get the game out, but it could have been better.

KZ3, FPS on consoles, yawnnn.... imo anyways.

so i'll give you UC2, though personally didn't like firs tone, so doubt will like second one.  Just not my style i guess.  But proved my point on next too though.

as for mario galaxy 2, said in another thread only like 3 stars in so can't really be a great judge, but you have to be blind not to tell that there is a HUGE difference in the two.  YOSHI.  That is one huge gameplay change, its not some little extra draw distance, prettier water or characters, or anything visual you want to say.  When I say a game is better the last thing on the list is visuals.  I mean any game worth mentioning has perfectly fine and great visuals. 



I think that in software sales, nobody can deny that Nintendo is leading by far. In bringing games that push what we thought that was possible in consoles, I'd agree that Sony is leading. The games that they mentioned in the article are games that truly have surpassed my expectations.  Microsoft has some great looking exclusive games like Gears of War (I didn't play it completely because the camera made me dizzy lol) but that is the only game that I'd put head to head with the Sony exclusives.  Please, do not mention Halo because even though the multiplayer is cool, they could've done much better graphics. I'm just hoping for a brand new Jak and Daxter, a real one this time...



MaxwellGT2000 said:
dsister said:

Sucker Punch and the Heavy Rain developers aren't Sony 1st party. I do so hate it when people don't research before they write articles...

Also Naughty Dog was misspelled


Not to mention Insomniac isn't first party nor was Media Molecule for the first Little Big Planet, hell the game was pitched to Nintendo first and rejected by everyone at Sony except for good ol' Phil who pushed it on everyone else lol


That's interesting. I'd never heard that. Got a link?



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Torillian said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
leatherhat said:
 

Its pretty common knowledge that sony owns Demons souls and SCEJ partnered with From to make it. As for bungie, I wasn't aware MS owned them at the time, so I guess that only applies to halo reach. And yes demons souls is the spiritual successor to kings field (great games by the way) but I don't see how that would effect sonys ownership of Demons souls. 


I have yet to see a lick of evidence on who owns the IP all I know is From Software directly references the game in another one of their games and unless they get permission to do so they could get in trouble for if they do not own the IP.  And what does Kings Field have to do with anything?  Well that Sony if leading the pack as the topic says you don't really lead the pack just making a new King's Field title with the original developers :P just like Metroid Other M is satisfying the fans but it's not meant to lead the pack in what consumers want and change gaming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment

it's under the list of IP's owned by Sony, and if you go on the official Demon's Souls Website is says that the copyright has been licenced to Atlus


Thank you for being someone that actually brought some evidence  I started looking after I got out of the shower and saw the Copyright under the demons souls official page and was about to post about it.

@ All the people debating over the co-developed games

Demons Souls = From Software and Sony Japan studios, From Software did a majority of the development, Sony Japan isn't even credited on the back of the game case, so it's sorta first party with most work, design, and concept coming from a third party developer, but this article was about pushing games on a technical level and I find it hard to believe Demon's Souls couldn't be done with just as good graphical fidelity on 360

Metroid Other M = Nintendo SPD group 1 (being produced by the creator of the Metroid series Sakamoto) teaming up with Team Ninja, Nintendo has been pretty transparent that it's NOT strictly a Team Ninja game, hell when Nintendo gave the series to one of its own studios (Retro) they watched them like a hawk throughout development, this is a lot stricter than something like Mistwalker working on Lost Odyssey and co-developing with free plus where Mistwalker did a lot of the work (basically all that they could since they weren't a big team) it's Nintendo with a lot of influence and Team Ninja bringing in their own talents and obviously making the game a bit more action packed.

Halo 1-3 = Bungie as a first party, Halo Wars = Ensemble as a first party, Halo ODST and Reach = Bungie as a third party, the IP itself is owned and funded by Microsoft, the only reason Bungie broke off was because of Microsoft restricting their creative freedom, effectively any Halo made by Bungie now is no longer first party, but Microsoft will have a big hand in it regardless cause they're gonna give it lots of funding, promote it like crazy, make public betas, etc etc, stuff Bungie couldn't do on their own. 



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Dallinor said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
dsister said:

Sucker Punch and the Heavy Rain developers aren't Sony 1st party. I do so hate it when people don't research before they write articles...

Also Naughty Dog was misspelled


Not to mention Insomniac isn't first party nor was Media Molecule for the first Little Big Planet, hell the game was pitched to Nintendo first and rejected by everyone at Sony except for good ol' Phil who pushed it on everyone else lol


That's interesting. I'd never heard that. Got a link?


Shit dude that was back in 2008 I think MakingMusic linked me the info I can ask him, he was trying to sell me on LBP at the time, I wasn't convinced till I played it and bought a PS3 just for that game But yeah Media Molecule was pitching the idea around for a little bit I'll try to find you something.



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