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huaxiong90 on 02 July 2010
DirtyP2002 said:

There are so many good things going on for MS.

  • Xbox 360S sells well (some shortages though)
  • Older price reduced Xbox 360 models are selling well (not much longer though)
  • Xbox 360S is not even released in Europe
  • Xbox 360S Arcade for $199 will sell big numbers once it will be released
  • Kinect preorders seem to be very good
  • Halo / Fable / CoD / Gears of War will sell shitloads of software
  • There still are various newly buildt 1st party studios we haven't seen anything from (Spawnpoint Studios / Firebird Studios / 343 industries)

    • If Windows Mobile 7 becomes a success, the EDD will post some great numbers.

    Agreed, but why mention CoD when it's multiplat?



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    richardhutnik on 02 July 2010
    CGI-Quality said:
    trunkswd said:

    Wow 360 outsold Wii by more than 2:1 and PS3 by more than 3:1 in America and in Japan its right behind Wii and PS3, might be a statistical tie. I wonder if sales will continue to increase. The 360s hasn't even been released in Europe yet.

    360S's strongest showing will be in the States, but no doubt it'll have some effect on Europe. I expect it to perform well throughout July and return closer to previous levels sometime late next month. It will remain a tight battle between it and PS3 until the hoiday where it's anyone's game.

    Hmm.... I just saw the 360 be very competitive in Japan.  Anyhow, confirm for me I read that correctly.  If Japan did this, I don't get why Europe wouldn't either.  The new 360 and price changes haven't taken place in Europe yet, have they?

    I don't think the 360, after July, is going to be at this level though.



    steverhcp02 on 02 July 2010
    Hyruken said:
    steverhcp02 said:
    Hyruken said:

    Very nice 360 sales. Not bad sales all round really considering this is normally the slow period.

    However it just makes me wonder a bit more about the EU numbers for 360. How is it in US 360 just outsold WII and PS3 COMBINED but yet it sells in the 30's in EU?

    I mean i would understand if that was Japan where 360 is not always desirable but in EU it is very similar to US, the markets are almost the same.

    It would be good to get some clarification on those numbers and see if it is now because of arcades and elites selling out in various places?


    I really think now its because of the Slim moreso than the pricecuts. Look at software, no bumps for Red Dead, slight bump for FF, could be from discounted bundles i guess....but really no big software increase even with an extra almost 100k from its normal selling point.

    I always though the bump was from $150 entry price, but i underestimated how much 360 owners reallylove their gaming as apparent by the huge spike.

    I think the numbers shed some light onto price point saturation. Price just simply isnt a factor anymore for the 360 since its been $199 for a while in the states and less in EMAA if im not mistaken. I expect now when the Slim is released in EMAA to have an even greater effect then we see now with discounts.

    MSFT will likely notice this and begin driving feature driven updates moreso than price battles....great for them since theyre making money on the hardware.



    What i mean is if we look closely at eu numbers over the past few weeks we see that the pattern has actually not changed regardless of the price cut to the various models. In UK it still sold around the same as it did before E3 and in the other countries it is doing slightly worse. Would a price cut really make no difference in those countries?

    Because if you think about it if a price cut makes no difference would a more expensive 360 make any difference? It is as i said it doesn't seem right. I think the EU numbers maybe have been under-tracked by a fair bit, especially in UK where you will struggle to get hold of a 360 now. The demand is there, the question is, are the stock there to meet it?


    Im not saying a price cut wont make a difference....but honestly i dont think there are many consumers out there who want a 360 but just cant afford one.

    The EU numbers were up 15% this past week on the back of discounts so its increasing but its increasing like price isnt a huge hurdle. Theres no pent up demand for a price cut.

    However, imo, as evident by the US numbers, at least in the States, theres huge pent up demand by the existing userbase right now for the Slim....likely, in  the holiday period this will also help having a more feature rich, sleeker, sexier, smaller console so the bump now in the summer is from current users, imo, based on software and the rabbid userbase upgrading.

    And the EU and American markets arent THAT similar.....if you look at total sales between consoles as well as software theyre actually quite different. I wont pretend to know why, but just looking at the numbers you can pretty easily see they follow a different trend.




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    steverhcp02 on 02 July 2010
    richardhutnik said:
    CGI-Quality said:
    trunkswd said:

    Wow 360 outsold Wii by more than 2:1 and PS3 by more than 3:1 in America and in Japan its right behind Wii and PS3, might be a statistical tie. I wonder if sales will continue to increase. The 360s hasn't even been released in Europe yet.

    360S's strongest showing will be in the States, but no doubt it'll have some effect on Europe. I expect it to perform well throughout July and return closer to previous levels sometime late next month. It will remain a tight battle between it and PS3 until the hoiday where it's anyone's game.

    Hmm.... I just saw the 360 be very competitive in Japan.  Anyhow, confirm for me I read that correctly.  If Japan did this, I don't get why Europe wouldn't either.  The new 360 and price changes haven't taken place in Europe yet, have they?

    Well Japan is pretty notorious for gobbling up asthetic changes...IE colors, slight redesigns etc....also dont forget MHF released as well.




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    jarrod on 02 July 2010
    Alby_da_Wolf said:

    Nintendo should worry now, because after all the fuss it's doing about glasses-free 3D, it won't be able to launch Wii2 until a glasses-free tech is available and affordable for home TVs, so it must just hope Wii sales hold enough.


    They'll release Wii 2/HD/HiFi/whatever late next year just fine.  I'm sure it'll be futureproofed for 3D display, Nintendo just won't allow compatibility until home televisions catch up to handhelds with a glassless product.

    It's not like Sony had to delay PS3 for 3D...



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    BoneArk on 02 July 2010
    steverhcp02 said:

    Looks like the only significant boost in the States was for Fifa WC software wise, obviously across both platforms. 

    I completely underestimated the purchasing power of 360 owners....which is sort of silly of me now that i think about it, based on how much software 360 owners gobble up.

    The 360 is by far, imo, th emost "hardcore" gaming console ever created.....software attach rate is amazing, and it looks like a lot of owners just love the upgraded console. These sales for America are pretty insane.

    I'm not sure if I agree with u on that. Kinect is for the casuals. Halo's future is not looking so good b/c Bungie is not doing no more Halo games.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

    jarrod on 02 July 2010
    Azure15 said:
    Bruno Muñoz said:
    Arc Rise Fantasia (Wii)
    Ignition Entertainment
    		56 23,073 79,736

    Typical opening for a niche jrpg, I hope it is not overtracked XD

     

    Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Wii)
    Nintendo
    		5 238,188 2,651,388


    Arc Rise Fantasia has not even released in the Americas market yet- it was delayed until July 27th. Where these numbers are coming from, I have no clue, but the 23k people that bought it dont exist.

    And I agree, Galaxy numbers while good, can never compare to those of the 2D beast in NSMB Wii so they look tame in comparison.

    lol.  Speaking of ARF, I'm pretty sure it's going to completely bomb, and mainly because of Ignition's laughably terrible localization.  They're basically spitting in face of their target audience, and I expect that audience to return the favor by waiting to pick up ARF in bargain bins... the game would've had a much better chance with Atlus or XSEED or Aksys, or even if it'd stayed sub-only.



    steverhcp02 on 02 July 2010
    BoneArk said:
    steverhcp02 said:

    Looks like the only significant boost in the States was for Fifa WC software wise, obviously across both platforms. 

    I completely underestimated the purchasing power of 360 owners....which is sort of silly of me now that i think about it, based on how much software 360 owners gobble up.

    The 360 is by far, imo, th emost "hardcore" gaming console ever created.....software attach rate is amazing, and it looks like a lot of owners just love the upgraded console. These sales for America are pretty insane.

    I'm not sure if I agree with u on that. Kinect is for the casuals. Halo future is not looking so good b/c Bungie is not doing no more Halo games.

    Regardless of Kinect, thats an expansion.

    I dont know what Halo future is.

    But the software sales of CoD, Halo, Gears, Fable pretty much any shooter....the online community of dedicated players constantly playing....its a beast.

    You cant cherry pick one addon peripheral and discredit everything they have going on.




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    thx1139 on 02 July 2010

    360 S could do even better this week or next.  Now seeing them in supply with still plenty of pre-orders to be fulfilled.  Gamestop has been telling people not to expect thier pre-orders to be fulfilled until 2nd week of July.



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    A Bad Clown on 02 July 2010

    The EU sales will keep it the same during July, then Halo in September, and then Black Friday-Christmas.



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