True and false, their IPs have evolved much throgh the years, you can't even compare mario galaxy to the original, or kid icarus uprising to the original on nes.... on the other hand it's true they don't show off a big budget new IP since looong time and I think that is very lame. But it's a matter of fact that 80% of developers around the globe are just recycling ideas in this moment...
Some people are taking the oppurtunity to troll Nintendo's in Amp's joke thread. Did you not read about when he said titanic?! Lets not forget that Nintendo was around in the great depression around the 1930s (I believe?)
Bleep. Bloop. Blaap.
blaydcor said:
Is that really how you're going to argue this? The book part I mean. Find me a critic that acclaims a story or book by any of those authors and (a) says it's mature and (b) calls it so because of the inclusion of sex, violence, and gore. Know what they say? Pulp is sex and violence, literature is love and death. Not that I fully agree with that, but it certainly embodies the critical spirit of the literary community. I mean, if you want to argue illogically, don't do it with books. Books are my thing. I read way more than I game. Hell, I write more than I game. |
I argued it very logically. If you're talking about pulp, then you're talking about Kirby's Epic Yarn and Donkey Kong Country Returns, because Nintendo had a game in the same genre last year that sold 14 million copies and both DKCR and KEY are just attempts to replicate that past games' success which is what pulp does.
About those authors, they're considered artists not pulp writers because their depiction of sex and violence was unlike any depictions of sex and violence in literature before their time. Something Nintendo rarely innovates upon because it's easier for them to keep putting out their equivalents of Disney movies each year than to try to tell new and compelling stories in their games.
Just one example about those writers, William S. Burroughs was inducted into the American Academy and Institute of Arts and Letters in 1983, what about you?
| SuperAdrianK said: Some people are taking the oppurtunity to troll Nintendo in Amp's joke thread. Did you not read about when he said titanic?! Lets not forget that Nintendo was around in the great depression around the 1930s (I believe?) Bleep. Bloop. Blaap. |
| lvader said: Just because they are using known characters doesn't mean what they are doing with them isn't inovative. SMG2 is far more fresh and new than anything from Sony or MS. |
little big planet says otherwise.
infamous23 said:
About those authors, they're considered artists not pulp writers because their depiction of sex and violence was unlike any depictions of sex and violence in literature before their time. Something Nintendo rarely innovates upon because it's easier for them to keep putting out their equivalents of Disney movies each year than to try to tell new and compelling stories in their games. Just one example about those writers, William S. Burroughs was inducted into the American Academy and Institute of Arts and Letters in 1983, what about you? |
Seriously? Do you understand what pulp fiction is?
"...the magazines are best remembered for their lurid and exploitative stories and sensational cover art." Go ahead and click on that link to exploitative stories, because I'm fairly confident you don't know what they are. Here, I'll do it for you:
"Exploitation fiction is a type of literature that includes novels and magazines that exploit sex, violence, drugs, or other elements meant to attract readers primarily by arousing prurient interest without being labeled as obscene or pornographic."
For the life of me, I can't figure out what that sounds like. Kirby and Donkey Kong Country, two series known for their excellent platforming gameplay, or all these new HD games that exploit sex, violence, drugs, or other elements meant to attract gamers primarily by arousing prurient interest without being labeled as obscene or pornographic.
Oh, and it also sounds like your fancy pants authors are far closer to pulp fiction than literature. For me, I'll stick to the likes of Faulkner, Shakespeare, Fitzgerald, etc.
OT: Amp you picked a perfect time for one of these threads: right after E3 with all the new members and visitors to the site who came to discuss E3. This thread was about eleventy billion times more obvious than mine, and you raked in more people even so, I believe.
There is a difference in living in the past and reliving the old school values of gaming. It's these values that keep Nintendo innovating and bringing great gaming experiences that sell. Nintendo does not pursue games as art, but games as fun experiences for people and the sales prove them right.
tarheel91 said:
Seriously? Do you understand what pulp fiction is? "...the magazines are best remembered for their lurid and exploitative stories and sensational cover art." Go ahead and click on that link to exploitative stories, because I'm fairly confident you don't know what they are. Here, I'll do it for you: "Exploitation fiction is a type of literature that includes novels and magazines that exploit sex, violence, drugs, or other elements meant to attract readers primarily by arousing prurient interest without being labeled as obscene or pornographic." For the life of me, I can't figure out what that sounds like. Kirby and Donkey Kong Country, two series known for their excellent platforming gameplay, or all these new HD games that exploit sex, violence, drugs, or other elements meant to attract gamers primarily by arousing prurient interest without being labeled as obscene or pornographic. Oh, and it also sounds like your fancy pants authors are far closer to pulp fiction than literature. For me, I'll stick to the likes of Faulkner, Shakespeare, Fitzgerald, etc.
OT: Amp you picked a perfect time for one of these threads: right after E3 with all the new members and visitors to the site who came to discuss E3. This thread was about eleventy billion times more obvious than mine, and you raked in more people even so, I believe. |
That's traditionally what the pulp fiction of the twenties and thirties was referred to, however, many of the leading proponents of that type of fiction are now recognized as leading literary lights of their day.
Jim Thompson, Cornell Woolrich, Raymond Chandler are each considered to have been better literary writers now than some of the popular fiction writers of their day. Case in point, H. P. Lovecraft was considered by the leading literary critic of his day to be simply a purveyor of lurid fiction. And now Lovecraft is being published by
Penguin Classics.
However, true pulp literature would have to be considered something like the romance or fantasy fiction genres where you just awlk into a store and see a thousand books with basically the same stories and characters in them but unable to really evolve the genre like Robert E. Howard did.
Meanwhile are the two companies that Nintendo's policies throw them in with ever considered to have really done anything that excellent? McDonald's and Disney.
Hey, McDonald's is still popular because people know what to expect from them. You know what you're getting when you buy a Wii Series game or a Big Mac but no one could really seriously lump them in with Fallout or Filet Mignon as far as quality goes.
And, Nintendo like Disney has done a good job putting out product for the kids over the years. But it took Pixar and some of the anime studios to make animation into a more serious medium for modern viewers.
I will support this thread for the simple fact that you are a Chicago Bears fan. You must be right.
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