Well it seems that right now the first year is free and the second is $5, so do the math.I don't know how much it will be after that. Furthermore you can rent games for like $6 for a week, so instead of droping $50 on MW2 you can drop 6 and then wash your hands of it and cry a lot less in a corner than you would have otherwise.

Then this is a viable replacement for traditional PC setups then, not consoles. It's PC players that feel the need to wipe their hands of MW2. It's actually quite a popular console game, and anyone into the online knows it's limitless value. Renting it for $6 a week instead of a singular $60 purchase(or less depending on sales), will add up rather quick.

Oh. I read it was going to be $20/month for OnLive plus games. That's a much better proposition, and is cheaper than constant rental programmes like GameFly.

Well I don't know if that $5 a year is just if you are one of the founding members or the actual price, they haven't talked much about the actual price.

We've been over this, just because people don't know any better, it doesn't make a a pile of shit any good.

That's not relevant to the argument you originally made. We're talking about this being a viable replacement for consoles, and you used the most popular online multiplayer game on consoles to somehow show that Onlive's rental service will be a benefit, with equating their model a saving grace to the dissatisfaction most console gamers have with MW2. However, since no major dissatisfaction exists, it's a poor argument to show the viability of the platform as a replacement for consoles. A rental service for gamers to wipe their hands clean of games they don't like sounds far more like a viable replacement for traditional PC gaming, since it's a common argument of theirs/yours to say games just aren't worth the purchase price, resulting in your/their heavy piracy.

Oh, well you can permanently rent the game, as in buy it as well for a given amount. The biggest problem I have seen with OnLive is the fact that the graphics are not top notch. As for why it will rpelace consoles, it's because it's would, theoretically, offer what you get on the consoles. No hassles, no worrying about hardware, plug and play, etc. In fact it is out consoling the HD consoles in those terms since you don't even have to deal with installs or hardware failures. If done right OnLive will steal away console sales easily. Now for the PC, it has far more features than the consoles, so the people who want them will still be able to get them on the PC, and not on OnLive. Basically it has all the benefits of a console and does them better, and none of the benefits of the PC.

It doesn't offer any of the features of consoles. First it's based on PC gaming, thus your lineup will be PC games. Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft will not support it. Thus you're going to get PC games on it, with PC controls, PC features, and there are very many types of games console gamers are accustomed to that are not heavily prevalent on the PC(Sports, Fighting, Racing, etc). Secondly, PC gaming is traditionally solo play software and/or online multiplayer, and the big console audience demands local multiplayer focused software(the Wii). Also since your main method of control is going to be keyboard and mouse, you'll never attract anyone but PC gamers or those interested in PC gaming. The Wii's audience isn't going to trade in the Wiimote, the multiplayer focused Wii Sports and their family and friends in the same room for a keyboard and mouse, Starcraft II and an online opponent.

Third it's anti-retail in nature and anti-gift in nature also. Retailers will not set up large amounts of shelving space for Onlive, since it won't have a large amount of products attached to it. After the initial investment in it, where does the gift giving come from? How do I walk into Target and get someone an Onlive game for Christmas?

It should be obvious that this is an alternative to PC gaming for those that want their PC games without the hassles that come along with it. They get their games, and they give up performance for ease of use. Consoles will be largely unaffected by this in it's current form. 

That is why they are also selling the box controller that goes into your TV, because that is so totally PC gaming and keyboard control. Maybe they won't get the first party games, but all the others like CoD and stuff.

Secondly, how many recent games can you think of that had Split Screen play? On the HD consoles I can only think of about only a dozen of the bigger titles. The console players, if you can even call the HD consoles consoles anymore, already have given up their local multiplayer.

Thirdly, Steam already has gift giving made, furthermore gamecards, a la LIVE are easily giftable except now they give you something worth your money.

Lastly, the consoles are the alternative to PC gaming, OnLive offers nothing that the PC has in spades, the online, the open platform, the modability, the extreme graphics. Onlive is out consolifying the consoles.

I still predict that OnLine will go bankrupt within a year, or two tops.