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dabaus513 on 01 December 2007

Ok i hate how i am coming off as an xbot celebrating the "demise of sony." Im a concerned fan of the ps3 and when the suits make comments like that then it becomes very aggrivating as someone who bought an expensive piece of hardware. How can a company that doesnt have that heavy hitter like halo or mario say things to the extent " we dont give a rats as$ about our aaa third party games. As long as eveyone has its good for us."



 

 

 

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MontanaHatchet on 01 December 2007

Yeah, Sony has no heavy hitters on the level of Halo and Mario, except for Gran Turismo, which will likely end up outselling both.



 

 

HappySqurriel on 01 December 2007
jhlennon1 said:
Squirrel, Sony are not fools. They knew that when the developed a console that requires a 20mil budget per game that exclusives would be sacrificed. 3rd parties cannot afford to lose 800mil a quarter like Sony can and survive.

The problem isn't (necessarily) the high cost of game development, the problem is the sales of the platform; had the PS3 sold at the rate of the PS2 you wouldn't hear any complaints from third party publishers about the high cost of development.

Personally, I would argue that Sony are fools because they decided to produce a $600 product in a market which has rejected every product that was more than $300 ...



jhlennon1 on 01 December 2007
dabaus513 said:
Ok i hate how i am coming off as an xbot celebrating the "demise of sony." Im a concerned fan of the ps3 and when the suits make comments like that then it becomes very aggrivating as someone who bought an expensive piece of hardware. How can a company that doesnt have that heavy hitter like halo or mario say things to the extent " we dont give a rats as$ about our aaa third party games. As long as eveyone has its good for us."


What do you expect Sony to say? They can't say "Well, we woud like these exclusives but our sales suck so we can't justify it"

 

Many have to tow the company line, he compensated by saying that Sony are ensuring that the PS3 gets a version and stepping up 1st party support. You can't ask for more then that. The days of anyone getting PS2 level support are over, it's just too expensive. 



HappySqurriel on 02 December 2007
MontanaHatchet said:
Yeah, Sony has no heavy hitters on the level of Halo and Mario, except for Gran Turismo, which will likely end up outselling both.

I think that is overly optimistic ... The Gran Turismo series has sold so well because it was a great game released on amazingly popular hardware, and there was little in the way of competition and most of it was bad; these things are not true for Gran Turismo 5.

The slow sales of the PS3 speaks very loudly about how unpopular the PS3 is (as compared to what the PS2 was), and it seems like there is another decent to good racing game released every month; Gran Turismo may end up being a better game, but it probably will not be a "spend $400 on a system to play this game" better game ...



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jhlennon1 on 02 December 2007

Gran Turismo will sell well because most sales come from Europe and the PS3 is selling well in Europe and you can add many Japan sales in there. The US market is the only place where PS3 sales are suffering, Japan to a lesser extent but Sony are on the right road in Japan.

So yeah, expect very good sales for GT5.



dabaus513 on 02 December 2007
jhlennon1 said:
dabaus513 said:
Ok i hate how i am coming off as an xbot celebrating the "demise of sony." Im a concerned fan of the ps3 and when the suits make comments like that then it becomes very aggrivating as someone who bought an expensive piece of hardware. How can a company that doesnt have that heavy hitter like halo or mario say things to the extent " we dont give a rats as$ about our aaa third party games. As long as eveyone has its good for us."


What do you expect Sony to say? They can't say "Well, we woud like these exclusives but our sales suck so we can't justify it"

 

Many have to tow the company line, he compensated by saying that Sony are ensuring that the PS3 gets a version and stepping up 1st party support. You can't ask for more then that. The days of anyone getting PS2 level support are over, it's just too expensive.


 I do expect them to say that he knows the sales suck and that the reason why (we paid off) these games are exclusive. Surely they realize that excluives move hardware?



 

 

 

jhlennon1 on 02 December 2007
dabaus513 said:
jhlennon1 said:
dabaus513 said:
Ok i hate how i am coming off as an xbot celebrating the "demise of sony." Im a concerned fan of the ps3 and when the suits make comments like that then it becomes very aggrivating as someone who bought an expensive piece of hardware. How can a company that doesnt have that heavy hitter like halo or mario say things to the extent " we dont give a rats as$ about our aaa third party games. As long as eveyone has its good for us."


What do you expect Sony to say? They can't say "Well, we woud like these exclusives but our sales suck so we can't justify it"

 

Many have to tow the company line, he compensated by saying that Sony are ensuring that the PS3 gets a version and stepping up 1st party support. You can't ask for more then that. The days of anyone getting PS2 level support are over, it's just too expensive.


I do expect them to say that he knows the sales suck and that the reason why (we paid off) these games are exclusive. Surely they realize that excluives move hardware?


Sony have paid for exclusives that is why no 360 version of MGS4 and FFXIII or Versus XIII and both S-E and Konami are being so adamant about it.

You can guarantee that if Sony never paid Konami anything MGS4 on 360 would be a same day release and Nomura/Kitase would be in silent mode about taking advantage of PS3 hardware and definitely would not have included "ONLY on PLAYSTATION 3" in their TGS trailers.



FinalEvangelion on 02 December 2007
MontanaHatchet said:
Yeah, Sony has no heavy hitters on the level of Halo and Mario, except for Gran Turismo, which will likely end up outselling both.

People always forget about GT - one of the most popular games of all time.  

 

There is a chance that MGS4 to go to the 360, but I could imagine it would be a long process to do the porting - more than many people think around here.  I always wonder if the PC would be a better option than the 360 for porting.  Having seen games that push the envelopes of the 360, I imagine the MGS4 version would have to be re-engineered alot.  I'd say its about a 50/50 chance of seeing a multiplat release.  It would probably be a year later.

 

For Final Fantasy XIII, anyone that has known Square Enix for a while knows that they have a different strategy to deal with things.  They can remake games or port it to a later generation console to milk the profits.  I see the same happening with this game - maybe Xbox 720 or PSP 3? I'm sure square is really making the push for Sony to get that price to $300 when they release this game. I'd say 95% chance that this game will be only on PS3 this generation.  Square has been much more solid on their stance than Konami.



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HappySqurriel on 02 December 2007
jhlennon1 said:

Gran Turismo will sell well because most sales come from Europe and the PS3 is selling well in Europe and you can add many Japan sales in there. The US market is the only place where PS3 sales are suffering, Japan to a lesser extent but Sony are on the right road in Japan.

So yeah, expect very good sales for GT5.


First off, compared to the PS2 the PS3 has sold awful in Europe and is a disaster in Japan ... Secondly, this is the EXACT same type of statement that has been made about most PS3 games before they sell at 1/4 the rate of their PS2 counterparts.

Gran Turismo 5 will sell millions of copies, and may break a million units in every region, but I wouldn't expect much more than 6 or 7 Million units sold in its lifetime.