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d21lewis said:

In 2012, the world will explode.  All that will be left is 7 cockroaches, a moon pie, and Nintendo.  They'll be announcing the release of Super Mario Water Polo.


And Chuck Norris...



     

 

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Let the numbers speak.............



 

 

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Joelcool7 said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
DrJay said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
what numbers do you wanna know

i am telling why SONY's profits are shown to be down

 

SONY had so much R&D going on

you really think with the Software of 1.6 BILLION games sold for PS2,they would have made money in royalties more than Nintendo and the amount they were making on hardware

 

just anwser to me why did  SONY's PLAYSTATION profits dipped in 2005 even with the blockbusters like GT4,SAN ANDREAS,MGS3,etc

 

And Nintendo was also undergoing  R & D at that time yet still managed to make a lot of profit.  So what is your point?  

Sony:  Massive profits, massive R & D costs, PS3 still lost to the Wii.

Nintendo:  Massive profits, controlled R & D costs, developed to DS and Wii to disrupt Sony.

so you are saying Wii R&D costs as much as CELL $400m budget and the extra BLU-RAY?

 

Sony:  Massive profits, massive R & D costs, PS3 still lost to the Wii for future profits from PS4 and blu-ray royalties

Nintendo:  Massive profits, controlled R & D costs,Wii got alot of help from PS3 high pricing

Near the end of the GameCube generation Nintendo released R&D numbers. They said they spent over 250-mill a year R&D on both their home and handheld consoles. Thats 500-million dollars a year in R&D. Don't think for a second that they don't invest as much if not more then Sony does in R&D.

SONY spent more than $2b R&D on PS3 alone.Nintendo didn't do that for Wii and DS combined and hasn't done for any of their consoles or handheld.so they aren't as much or more than SONY's R&D.


again you misunderstand me,i am not trying to say Nintendo don't unvest but as gaming is their sole business and they aren't as big as MS or SONY they take very less risk and always make console that are not expensive in price

 

Keep in mind the Wiimote has been in the works since the NES. Nintendo also had their own 3D technology at GameCube's launch. Nintendo obviously invested heavily in 3D since they have the 3DS and no other company beat them too it, even Sony's executives don't think its possible I remember Pachter saying if Sony couldn't do it Nintendo definatly couldn't, well they did and are.Also remember when Natal was announced, Nintendo stated at the time that they had also worked on camera technology similiar to Natal but didn't think the technology worked and chose to go with the Wiimote.

Wiimote wasn't in the works since NES.they were working on somethig else out of which after sometime they got the idea of Wii motion control the same way SONY got the idea of MOVE.but both of them were not at start developing the project as we see today

the GAMECUBE 3D you talk about is not real 3D as that kind of 3D can be output by any console.but for the console like the PS3 which can do 3D and transmit 3D at 1080p itself is not what GAMECUBE did.that ways PS2 could also do it

they have the 3DS but i'm sure it doesn't cost much as Nintendo wouldn't release it and they wouldn't take a loss too

you are talking complete bullshit

 

Think about it a second , even the batteries that go into the DS and such, why do they have like 10x the lasting power of the PSP? Did Nintendo just wish upon a star. Also up until the Wii Nintendo pioneered all their own media formats developing their own cartridges and mini-disks, that costs alot of money that Sony saved by going CD, DVD then BluRay.Lets not forget the gyroscopes, tilt sensors, balance board...vitality sensor.....WiiMotionPlus...... All these peripherals cost money to develope. Think of the amount of R&D that went into creating the vitality sensor for example.

you know that DS is noway near as powerfull as PSP and that way PSP would suck much more power to stay ON?

Nintendo only had their own format because they didn't wanna pay the DVD makers the royalties.And they didn't pioneer anything.the GAMECUBE disc were actually alot like mini-DVDs so they didn't really do much there.they actually just saved costs

those peripherals you talk about use INFRARED which is really an old tech and they don't cost as much as what SONY is investing in R&D.

you simply don't know what you are talking about here

Who knows what Nintendo has been developing without our knowledge. I know Sony spends alot on R&D but Nintendo probubly spends just as much if not more.

 

who knows what SONY has been developing now in their R7D without our knowledge

but by Nintendo's record and their company being solely gaming based,they will not invest as much

ana they don't spend as much or more than SONY in R&D

 

again if you understood me,i am not saying Nintendo doesn't spend much but they don't do as SONY do as they can't take as many risks





On the contrary, I think Nintendo, with the crapload amount of money they have due to how much their business is profitable (especially compared to Sony), can afford (literally) to take a lot more risks than Sony.



johnsobas said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
johnsobas said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
johnsobas said:
Joelcool7 said:

I remember during the GameCube era lots of people said that Sony was going to kill Nintendo. Today Nintendo doesn't even consider Sony its primary competition instead naming Apple its new competitor. So if the PS2 couldn't kill Sony infact Nintendo turned the largest profit out of the three during the GCN era I believe. So with PSP dead in the water to DS and 3DS on its way Sony seems to have thrown in the towel for the handheld market.

Could anyone really bring down Nintendo now, what are they worth like 8-billion by now. Even if they managed to loose like 3-generations in a row at Microsoft or Sega's losses 500-mill a generation, then it would take 16-generations to kill Nintendo.

I think Nintendo is invincible they are the greatest game company on earth as shown by this weeks E3. Could anybody ever truly take on Nintendo? Can anyone even call themselves a worthy competitor of Nintendo. I mean seriously while Sony looses money on every unit sold and so does Microsoft usually for years after their consoles hit the market Nintendo has never lost a dime on their hardware.

Can anyone compete with Nintendo and actually give them a run for their money or will Nintendo be around 300-years from now?

no way, even in the gamecube gen you are talking about Nintendo made more profit than Sony in games.  The gamecube was sold at a profit, it sold lots of 1st party software, GBA and DS made tons of money, and Sony's strategy with the PS2 was not as good as the PS1.  Sony WAS making Nintendo like profits in the PS1 gen when their strategy was not be the most powerful and not to be a loss leader. 

 

As long as Nintendo has their core base they can never be defeated.  First party titles alone asure this, and with the sales they get from the 1st party sales they will get a bunch of multiplat titles as well.  For Sony to beat Nintendo they would have to make such good software that people didn't care about Nintendo's first party titles.

 

Nintendo has such a huge war chest they can afford to have a few bad gens as well.


SONY was making Nintendo like profit in the PS2 era too but they had alot of R&D and other stuff going on

why do you think in 2005 when PS2 was at peak,they had a major dip in profit?- it was because they were working on CELL and blu-ray for the PS3 and the PSP push

also just don't look at SONY's PLAYSTATION division itself as alot of what PLAYSTATION 2 and PS3 did benefit alot of SONY's other department

like most  what SONY's other divisions are profiting because of BLU-RAY are because of PS3's inclusion of the blu-ray drive

Right, i'm sure the PS2 and PSP had no R&D whatsoever.  In 2005 the dip was because of the PSP, in 2006 it was because of PS3, but it doesn't take a genius to see that Sony made way more money in the PS1 era YEAR AFTER YEAR.  The PS2 was the first step in the wrong direction, they needed to dominate to make a profit and they did.  PS1 would have made them a nice profit even if they were a distant second place. 

i was talking about the PS3 R&D not PS2

PS1 wouldn't have made nice profit if they were a distant second as they were new in console business then not Nintendo with handheld to save them

Nobody said there wasn't a handheld, of course there was a handheld.  Nobody is claiming the gamecube made more money than the PS2.  Nintendo has always owned the handheld market and that isn't changing soon. 

I don't know how you can say PS1 wouldn't have made a profit when it's clear they made money on each console sold, they made 1.13 billion in a year even though they didn't sell nearly as much software or hardware as PS2 in its peak year.  I can only imagine how much money they could have made in the PS2 era if they had followed the same strategy as the PS1.  Actually i can, it would have been close to the wii profits. 

 

I DIDN'T SAY handheld market would change

i didn't say PS1 would have made profit.but alot of and most profits come from the SOFTWARE side and is they were not selling well in HW they wouldn't have made so much SOFTWARE.

ps2 too made alot of profit but it wasn't shown as PS3 and PSP R&D was going on and so they cut the PS2 profits shown to the public as the R&D costs are shown in the divisions profits



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Hynad said:

On the contrary, I think Nintendo, with the crapload amount of money they have due to how much their business is profitable (especially compared to Sony), can afford (literally) to take a lot more risks than Sony.


their company is profitable but SONY and MS have other divisions that make profits too



Galaki said:

Sony paid IBM to research the CELL? That's new to me.


they had a joint VENTURE



Solid_Snake4RD said:
Hynad said:

On the contrary, I think Nintendo, with the crapload amount of money they have due to how much their business is profitable (especially compared to Sony), can afford (literally) to take a lot more risks than Sony.


their company is profitable but SONY and MS have other divisions that make profits too

Sure they do.  But the point still stand.  The amount of money that Sony put in the CELL development, Nintendo could very well do the same and still be way high in the green. ^_-

 

 



wick said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
DrJay said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
what numbers do you wanna know

i am telling why SONY's profits are shown to be down

 

SONY had so much R&D going on

you really think with the Software of 1.6 BILLION games sold for PS2,they would have made money in royalties more than Nintendo and the amount they were making on hardware

 

just anwser to me why did  SONY's PLAYSTATION profits dipped in 2005 even with the blockbusters like GT4,SAN ANDREAS,MGS3,etc

 

And Nintendo was also undergoing  R & D at that time yet still managed to make a lot of profit.  So what is your point?  

Sony:  Massive profits, massive R & D costs, PS3 still lost to the Wii.

Nintendo:  Massive profits, controlled R & D costs, developed to DS and Wii to disrupt Sony.

so you are saying Wii R&D costs as much as CELL $400m budget and the extra BLU-RAY?

 

Sony:  Massive profits, massive R & D costs, PS3 still lost to the Wii for future profits from PS4 and blu-ray royalties

Nintendo:  Massive profits, controlled R & D costs,Wii got alot of help from PS3 high pricing


So you're suggesting Sony set out to lose market share and damage the Playstation brand on purpose in order to make more money off the PS4, which will have a hard time, thanks to the Playstation name being dragged through the mud,

SONY didn't intend to lose market share but their only option to make blu-ray succesful was to inclusde it in PS3.yes the PLAYSTATION brand name has been dragged through the mud but it still has many HARDCORE fans so they can atleast make a push next gen with PS4 at a low price

and to get a percentage of a new format which, going by current tech rates won't be around for all that long anyway.

its not going to be a long way

its going to be the same as DVD.where was DVD when it launched in 1996,and where was it in the daysd when PS2 had it and it became popular at a low price which is what PS4 is going to be.


Is it April fools day already?

is it for you?





Solid_Snake4RD said:
wick said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
DrJay said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
what numbers do you wanna know

i am telling why SONY's profits are shown to be down

 

SONY had so much R&D going on

you really think with the Software of 1.6 BILLION games sold for PS2,they would have made money in royalties more than Nintendo and the amount they were making on hardware

 

just anwser to me why did  SONY's PLAYSTATION profits dipped in 2005 even with the blockbusters like GT4,SAN ANDREAS,MGS3,etc

 

And Nintendo was also undergoing  R & D at that time yet still managed to make a lot of profit.  So what is your point?  

Sony:  Massive profits, massive R & D costs, PS3 still lost to the Wii.

Nintendo:  Massive profits, controlled R & D costs, developed to DS and Wii to disrupt Sony.

so you are saying Wii R&D costs as much as CELL $400m budget and the extra BLU-RAY?

 

Sony:  Massive profits, massive R & D costs, PS3 still lost to the Wii for future profits from PS4 and blu-ray royalties

Nintendo:  Massive profits, controlled R & D costs,Wii got alot of help from PS3 high pricing


So you're suggesting Sony set out to lose market share and damage the Playstation brand on purpose in order to make more money off the PS4, which will have a hard time, thanks to the Playstation name being dragged through the mud,

SONY didn't intend to lose market share but their only option to make blu-ray succesful was to inclusde it in PS3.yes the PLAYSTATION brand name has been dragged through the mud but it still has many HARDCORE fans so they can atleast make a push next gen with PS4 at a low price

and to get a percentage of a new format which, going by current tech rates won't be around for all that long anyway.

its not going to be a long way

its going to be the same as DVD.where was DVD when it launched in 1996,and where was it in the daysd when PS2 had it and it became popular at a low price which is what PS4 is going to be.


Is it April fools day already?

is it for you?



It must be reading this rubbish.



 

 

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The best quote I've seen this year:

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