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joeorc said:
Shonen said:
joeorc said:
Shonen said:

I just wanna ask one thing , how can u guys see the PSP 2 being relevant ? What features it could possible have to become relevant ? 

 

-Being a Phone (Does not count cu u know) in the End, phone games are cool (and i love some android games on my phone) but its like u play than for what 5 min and it starts to repeat itself over and over) And even if it is a FULL PSP with phone on , would be too much money to burn , with fee for at and t or verizon, and for that alone i would not consider it a relevant competitor for 3DS.

"I just wanna ask one thing , how can u guys see the PSP 2 being relevant ? What features it could possible have to become relevant ? "

"that's like saying what are you going to do now sony , make something to compete with the 3DS but it cannot be a smartphone!"

why does it not count?

it would still be a handheld

"i would not consider it a relevant competitor for 3DS."

it will Im sure it with the iphone!

so why not the PSPphone?

if the PSPphone get's PSP game's what would be anything other than it being a phone and it's design that is not like the psp we have now in functionality?

Sorry dude i cant see someone interested in gaming paying what 299 for a portable machine and/or monthly fees that are over 100 bucks to play 30 bucks AAA games.. really i cant see that coming, and for me neither Iphone or Ipad are giving DS any problem (DS SALES still doing as they ever did) and with glass-free 3D and the new connetcion features , so idont think that put a phone function there would make any difference i mean today wi-fi is almost everywhere, and with Skype and a browser (with flash i sad WITH FREAKING FLASH (hear that apple)) plus the 3D camera i cant really see how a PSPhone would be relevant ...

who says it's going to be $299.00?

most if not all Smartphone's are subsidized.

"for me neither Iphone or Ipad are giving DS any problem"

well the Industry seem's to say apple's Iphone is competeing with said Ds and PSP'

esp. when developer's are looking to put some of their big Ip's even on smartphone's.

With Sony.they have their Own Ip's but from what i gather you do not care about Sony anyway. so why would it matter to you anyhow?

this is what this whole thread is pretty much about

with the New's about the 3DS.

this entire thread pretty much is a PSP FUD fest. pretty sad if you ask me.

Dude no matter what Patcher says , I-pieces-of-overpriced-crap cant compete with a DS in tern of gaming , i want to know any serius gamers that says "Hum yeah ,i so selling my DS i must play __________ on my i-phone" about u saying that big IPs are hitting mobiles, i must say do u would still consider "Gears of War-put-3-blocs-of-the-same-color-in-line 3" a real BIG IP game ? 

And just in case u try to quote Iwata he sad that apple is enemy of the FUTURE (probably he sad that cuz he though that apple would be smart and would include button on I-phone 4, but they are stupid and they didnt).(by the way they where stupid to the point to do not include FLASH on the damn thing again)



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Shonen said:
 

Dude no matter what Patcher says , I-pieces-of-overpriced-crap cant compete with a DS in tern of gaming , i want to know any serius gamers that says "Hum yeah ,i so selling my DS i must play __________ on my i-phone" about u saying that big IPs are hitting mobiles, i must say do u would still consider "Gears of War-put-3-blocs-of-the-same-color-in-line 3" a real BIG IP game ? 

And just in case u try to quote Iwata he sad that apple is enemy of the FUTURE (probably he sad that cuz he though that apple would be smart and would include button on I-phone 4, but they are stupid and they didnt).(by the way they where stupid to the point to do not include FLASH on the damn thing again)

this is not about what Patcher :

you asked How could Sony make the PSP 2 , but what you are mainly asking an pretty much everyone in this thread is

"how can Sony make the PSP a viable platform" not just about the PSP 2 only this thread is more about

Sony sticking to the same market as the Nintendo product's.

and the answer is move the PSP platform into another market!

so if it make's you feel anybetter if "i say that sony is dropping out of the handheld game arena" and that Nintendo forced tham out and Nintendo won. fine there you go. if that make's you sleep better at night..it seem's funny that people care about what sony does with the PSP when they do not care about the PSP at all!

so what if Sony move's the PSP platform in to the smartphone market how does that in anyway hinder the Nintendo 3DS?

IT DOES'NT SO IT'S MOOT.



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ps:

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joeorc said:
Squilliam said:
joeorc said:

yea sure for the manuf. but not the companies that do not make them chip's...yea Nintendo just get's a good break because their Nintendo..gotcha...lol

Nintendo cannot make their own prices for other companies.

which is what your trying to put out there because their Nintendo.

over this trite..once again your looking more an more wearing the largest clownshoes on this board

-lol/:P


Its funny, I could copy that post verbatim onto the www.beyond3d.com board I.E. A board where something like this is typical and was the latest post to be made "MLAA is better with high contrast edges than other methods because the algorithm is all about finding edges and smoothing them, and high contrast edges are easier to find! And unlike MSAA, MLAA works on the tonemapped LDR buffer so won't interpolate HDR values outside the final dynamic range." and find agreement and yet you can't even get over yourself long enough to actually consider anyone else knows anything about this topic at all.

Heres a news flash for you technology improves and gets cheaper. Its pretty obvious, you should learn it sometime.

yes it does get cheaper..for the people that make the stuff. and then for the people after a while

unless

its subsidized your not going to get it cheap. yes technology get's cheaper for the people that make it..but since Nintendo does not it's pointless they have to shop for it.

Nintendo spends enormously on R&D, probably more than either MGS and SCE (though SCE does like to offload/hide costs with SEL, lol).  Hell, even this generation ATi mentioned that R&D costs sunk into Xenos (360 GPU) and Hollywood (Wii GPU) was practically even.  Nintendo's not afraid to invest, and they have long term, mutually beneficial relationships with tech firms like IBM, AMD, NEC, Sharp, Matsushita, etc.

Nintendo's engineers definitely tend to have a different ideology from Sony, they favor high efficiency / low cost setups much more, they don't rely on economies of scale to drive down prices (something that's especially sunk PS3 this gen) but they've proven themselves before.  Just look at GameCube, a system that launched (profitably) at just $199 and handily outperformed a $299 (loss taking) PS2 and performed surprisingly well against a (heavy loss taking) $299 Xbox.  I think you're very much underselling Nintendo's engineers, know-how, partners and contacts when you claim they couldn't make a $299 box next that handily outperforms PS3...



jarrod said:
joeorc said:
Squilliam said:
joeorc said:

yea sure for the manuf. but not the companies that do not make them chip's...yea Nintendo just get's a good break because their Nintendo..gotcha...lol

Nintendo cannot make their own prices for other companies.

which is what your trying to put out there because their Nintendo.

over this trite..once again your looking more an more wearing the largest clownshoes on this board

-lol/:P


Its funny, I could copy that post verbatim onto the www.beyond3d.com board I.E. A board where something like this is typical and was the latest post to be made "MLAA is better with high contrast edges than other methods because the algorithm is all about finding edges and smoothing them, and high contrast edges are easier to find! And unlike MSAA, MLAA works on the tonemapped LDR buffer so won't interpolate HDR values outside the final dynamic range." and find agreement and yet you can't even get over yourself long enough to actually consider anyone else knows anything about this topic at all.

Heres a news flash for you technology improves and gets cheaper. Its pretty obvious, you should learn it sometime.

yes it does get cheaper..for the people that make the stuff. and then for the people after a while

unless

its subsidized your not going to get it cheap. yes technology get's cheaper for the people that make it..but since Nintendo does not it's pointless they have to shop for it.

Nintendo spends enormously on R&D, probably more than either MGS and SCE (though SCE does like to offload/hide costs with SEL, lol).  Hell, even this generation ATi mentioned that R&D costs sunk into Xenos (360 GPU) and Hollywood (Wii GPU) was practically even.  Nintendo's not afraid to invest, and they have long term, mutually beneficial relationships with tech firms like IBM, AMD, NEC, Sharp, Matsushita, etc.

Nintendo's engineers definitely tend to have a different ideology from Sony, they favor high efficiency / low cost setups much more, they don't rely on economies of scale to drive down prices (something that's especially sunk PS3 this gen) but they've proven themselves before.  Just look at GameCube, a system that launched (profitably) at just $199 and handily outperformed a $299 (loss taking) PS2 and performed surprisingly well against a (heavy loss taking) $299 Xbox.  I think you're very much underselling Nintendo's engineers, know-how, partners and contacts when you claim they couldn't make a $299 box next that handily outperforms PS3...

Yeah Nintendo has some amazing engineers. Although I think some of the problem is each company's design philosophy. SONY for example wants to focus on high end entertainment. Nintendo wants to create mass market products. Based on those philosophies Nintendo should always sell more then SONY. The products they make are not bad.

There's a weird marketing / market analysis / consumer analysis problem that Nintendo is good at and SONY is really bad at.



Squilliam said:
joeorc said:

yea sure for the manuf. but not the companies that do not make them chip's...yea Nintendo just get's a good break because their Nintendo..gotcha...lol

Nintendo cannot make their own prices for other companies.

which is what your trying to put out there because their Nintendo.

over this trite..once again your looking more an more wearing the largest clownshoes on this board

-lol/:P


Its funny, I could copy that post verbatim onto the www.beyond3d.com board I.E. A board where something like this is typical and was the latest post to be made "MLAA is better with high contrast edges than other methods because the algorithm is all about finding edges and smoothing them, and high contrast edges are easier to find! And unlike MSAA, MLAA works on the tonemapped LDR buffer so won't interpolate HDR values outside the final dynamic range." and find agreement and yet you can't even get over yourself long enough to actually consider anyone else knows anything about this topic at all.

Heres a news flash for you technology improves and gets cheaper. Its pretty obvious, you should learn it sometime.


You are wasting your time Squilliam. Joerc tends to make these long posts that basically say nothing. I've seen him go back and forth with people more knowledgeable than him on subject before. No matter how wrong he is he won't back down.



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joeorc said:
ElGranCabeza said:
CrashMan said:

The PSP2 will now be delayed so they can add 3D to it, ripping off Nintendo pre-launch so they don't have to do it retroactively (again)

If they add 3D to PSP2 they wouldn't be copying Nintendo as Sony has made it clear before the 3DS was announced that's their goal going forward. Don't be fanboyish. With that said, there's no reason for a PSP2, the 3DS has ALL the games that made the PSP a success.

which is why I would say do not be suprised when sony release's the new PSP android Smartphone!

"Interestingly enough, the PlayStation Network development team now reports to Tim Schaaf, an ex-Apple veteran who is now Sony’s first head of software development, and is also part of Hirai’s new division."

http://www.siliconera.com/2009/06/28/rumour-sony-to-develop-gaming-phone/

this:

http://www.macnn.com/articles/08/04/22/sony.gracnote/

"Now, Schaaff is navigating similarly turbulent waters -- but this time by choice. Appointed last December as Sony's (SNE) new senior vice-president for software development, Schaaff has control over design, intellectual property, licensing, and product planning and engineering."

Schaaff's record of backing industry standards at Apple suggests he'll prod Sony toward a similar position. As the head of QuickTime, he made sure Apple took part in the Moving Picture Experts Group and the Internet Streaming Media Alliance, which sought to fix formats for online media technologies. QuickTime's incorporation of those standards helped win wide acceptance for the digital MPEG-4 video format among Hollywood studios, advertisers, and consumers alike.

That dovetails with Stringer's plans to get Sony to embrace industrywide formats and make its gizmos more compatible with other companies'. If Sony adopts the kind of stance that Schaaf did with QuickTime, one day you might be able to download a game, song, or movie from a one-stop Sony online shop onto a machine made by Sony, Panasonic, or Samsung.

" Christopher David, head of developer and partner engagement at Sony Ericsson told Pocket-Lint. “It should be expected". So far, the PS3 app runs on the Aino’s Nexus UX platform, allowing users to access the PS3 from the phone and stream content to their handset from anywhere in the world. The X10 already sports the same DLNA and wireless connectivity as the Aino, plus has a fast 1GHz Snapdragon processor and four-inch screen – all well suited to gamers."

REMEMBER:

"Now, Schaaff is navigating similarly turbulent waters -- but this time by choice. Appointed last December as Sony's (SNE) new senior vice-president for software development, Schaaff has control over design, intellectual property, licensing, and product planning and engineering."

PLAYSTATION NETWORK HEADS REPORT TO TIM, TIM REPORT'S TO KAZ

 

How does that relate in any way shape or form with what I said? I'm genuinely curious as nothing there suggests 3D or even talk about 3D, you could've gotten better quotes if you wanted to support my argument :p



ElGranCabeza said:
joeorc said:
ElGranCabeza said:
CrashMan said:

The PSP2 will now be delayed so they can add 3D to it, ripping off Nintendo pre-launch so they don't have to do it retroactively (again)

If they add 3D to PSP2 they wouldn't be copying Nintendo as Sony has made it clear before the 3DS was announced that's their goal going forward. Don't be fanboyish. With that said, there's no reason for a PSP2, the 3DS has ALL the games that made the PSP a success.

which is why I would say do not be suprised when sony release's the new PSP android Smartphone!

"Interestingly enough, the PlayStation Network development team now reports to Tim Schaaf, an ex-Apple veteran who is now Sony’s first head of software development, and is also part of Hirai’s new division."

http://www.siliconera.com/2009/06/28/rumour-sony-to-develop-gaming-phone/

this:

http://www.macnn.com/articles/08/04/22/sony.gracnote/

"Now, Schaaff is navigating similarly turbulent waters -- but this time by choice. Appointed last December as Sony's (SNE) new senior vice-president for software development, Schaaff has control over design, intellectual property, licensing, and product planning and engineering."

Schaaff's record of backing industry standards at Apple suggests he'll prod Sony toward a similar position. As the head of QuickTime, he made sure Apple took part in the Moving Picture Experts Group and the Internet Streaming Media Alliance, which sought to fix formats for online media technologies. QuickTime's incorporation of those standards helped win wide acceptance for the digital MPEG-4 video format among Hollywood studios, advertisers, and consumers alike.

That dovetails with Stringer's plans to get Sony to embrace industrywide formats and make its gizmos more compatible with other companies'. If Sony adopts the kind of stance that Schaaf did with QuickTime, one day you might be able to download a game, song, or movie from a one-stop Sony online shop onto a machine made by Sony, Panasonic, or Samsung.

" Christopher David, head of developer and partner engagement at Sony Ericsson told Pocket-Lint. “It should be expected". So far, the PS3 app runs on the Aino’s Nexus UX platform, allowing users to access the PS3 from the phone and stream content to their handset from anywhere in the world. The X10 already sports the same DLNA and wireless connectivity as the Aino, plus has a fast 1GHz Snapdragon processor and four-inch screen – all well suited to gamers."

REMEMBER:

"Now, Schaaff is navigating similarly turbulent waters -- but this time by choice. Appointed last December as Sony's (SNE) new senior vice-president for software development, Schaaff has control over design, intellectual property, licensing, and product planning and engineering."

PLAYSTATION NETWORK HEADS REPORT TO TIM, TIM REPORT'S TO KAZ

 

How does that relate in any way shape or form with what I said? I'm genuinely curious as nothing there suggests 3D or even talk about 3D, you could've gotten better quotes if you wanted to support my argument :p

how does what i posted even talk about 3d this thread is about the Viability of the  PSP. in the Market for get about "Did Nintendo just dreamcast the PS2" bull crap.

This Bloated pus filled trollish toad of a  thread is about the Viability of Sony staying in the Hand Held gaming space. Because Nintendo release one d@mn freakin handheld. that is not even on the D@mn market and people who could care less about the PSP platform at all, want's to know what sony is going to do about it?

Like you just said

"Don't be fanboyish. With that said, there's no reason for a PSP2, the 3DS has ALL the games that made the PSP a success."

you like other's in the thread could care less about the PSP so what the f_u_c does it matter anyway.

This thread is Toading pure and simple..and the Mod's our out to freakin lunch.

well that information i posted answer's it.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

lol.  We have meltdown!



jarrod said:

lol.  We have meltdown!

no this is not a  meltdown

this is  about this frog FORUM of a site. an that the Mod's are taking a lunch break.

what's funny when i hear that this forum is "quoted to be dominated by Sony fan's"

this thread an more like them tell the real truth.

the op:

The ONLY possible  stoppers to it reaching that number are Apple and the iphone and Android smartphones.

"which is what I exactly posted..Sony Moving the PSP platform to the Smartphone MARKET"

using the Android OS.

this is a frog forum

croak..croak..croak



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

no one realizes that if Nintendo "Dreamcasted" the PSP2 it would mean the PSP2 would outsell the 3DS and Nintendo would leave the handheld race. lol



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