Move will sell more but just purely on price.  $150 for Kinect doesn't sound appealing.

How are third parties going to help the Move again from the Wii in a considerable fashion?

Most of the system selling new I.P. were done with a naked Wiimote controller or a new accessory. Consider the Big three system sellers:

• Wii Sports
• Mario Kart
• Wii Fit

The former sold on the novelty value of being an introduction to motion controls. That novelty has now passed. Mario Kart cannot be done on Move anyway so it can't be replicated and Wii Fit requires an accessory/interface which Sony again doesn't offer.

The rest of their I.P like Mario, SSBB, Metroid etc sold proportionally to the increased install base between this generation and the last with the exception of NSMB which is an explosion in sales over anything else using standard controls. However Sony again hasn't replicated Nintendos ability to drive massive attach rates for their software as everything they got is niche in some way with the exception of GT5 which Move doesn't apply to.

Since Sony only has access to Wii third party ports and tacked on motion controls from third parties, since this hasn't driven adoption or given success on the Wii where the userbase apparantly has a dog mentally according to some here wherein the more it stinks the more interesting it is whilst the Sony userbase is refined?? So how exactly are they going to fall for the same tricks if they are that much smarter? Maybe the Sony userbase is too clever for Sony.

Is this a serious question?

There is seemingly zero buzz at all for PS move in the mainstream non-gaming press, but a lot of buzz for Kinect.

I'll be the first one to admit that Move has more interetsing looking software for core gamers, but I'd also say that Sony seems to have no clue who they're marketing that thing to. Do hardcore gamers really care about Move? I doubt most will, and not much of the software Sony showed at E3 looked like it would grab much of the casual market. Also, being Wii HD is hardly significant. In fact, the only significant thing about move, is that it functions as well as Wii with a Wii Motion attachment. Considering the nuncheck doesn't even have motion control though, and that it's a lot more expensive than a Wii, I don't see it doing incredible sales. Even Sony pitched it as an add-on, rather than a way forward.

On the other hand, while Kinect has so far very little core gamer appeal regarding software, it has spades of mass market appeal. We'll see how it pans out, but in many ways Kinect looks like the type of motion control that will easily render the Wii obsolete in the eyes of the uneducated casual gamers (which is the market MS want).

How did having a minor amount of lag affect Wii? not at all to the casuals. Kinect has already won this. Just seeing Kinect as the number 1 seller on Amazon, while Move is at #17 says all you'd need to know.

I think Move will ultimately be more successful due to the greater variety of games that can be played on it.  Kinect lacks some sort of direct response device and that limits the commands you can give to the game.  However, I think both will face the peripheral problem.  Move is attached to what is already the most expensive console and will require the purchase of more controllers that are only useful with Move games.  Not only that, the price goes up if you want to play group games.  Kinect only requires one device but what it can do is more limited.  Neat, but limited.  Direct input from pressing buttons allows more options for the game and combined with the motion tracking, a more dynamic experience.  Just motion controls by themselves mean that the developer will stick to simple and easy to express gestures.

I give this thread a 9.6.

I hope you realise that of the four most compelling pieces of software this generation, Wii Sports tennis doesn't need buttons, Mario Kart uses just one button IIRC and Wii Fit doesn't even use a controller whilst NSMB just has a standard pad. None of these games remained niche. Actually the more buttons a game uses the more niche it is, not the other way around.

move is not a new idea while kinect is so i will say kinect.

kinect is a much better periphreal, but the price is whats gonna make or break it.

LOL at this thread, you have loads of people saying Move will sell better, then we see the odd post in favour of Kinect!

Just look at the one sided'ness of the replies!!! Going by these replies alone, Move is gonna crush Kinect. End of discussion.

Whilst I think Move looks better for the traditional gamer, I still think Kinect will sell better:

• MS seem to be marketing the hell out of Kinect, Sony & Move, not so much
• Casual software: Games are marketed to a large demographic
• There are 5 million more 360 consoles out there than PS3s so it already has a userbase advantage
• The voice recognition and lack of controller will seem "novel" for a while

Having said this I don't think either will be a huge success. They're both priced way too high and the other problem with Kinect is the launch software; most of the titles are in the same genres (sports, fitness, party) meaning they'll all be competing against each other, not to mention the lack of core titles. Whilst Move looks to have more diverse software, very few games actually look to need Move and it's simply too much like Wii.

Unless it ends up not working "as advertised", Kinect hands down, for a very simple reason - the exergames (exercise games) market. The exercise market is a huge market (Wii Fit anyone? EA sports active anyone? Just dance anyone?), much bigger than the core gamer market, and IF kinect ends up working as advertised, it will solve the main peeve that people have with Wii exercise games (a peeve that will also exist wth Move exercise games) - the controllers that get in the way. Contrary to core games where people prefer having a controller, exercise/fitness games  are games where the advantage lies with whichever console doesn't use a controller (as long as it indeed recognizes what you do well).

This analysis by the way is by a Wii owner who has no intention of buying neither Move nor Kinect (and neither a PS3 nor a XBox360).