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TaichungSteve said:

Revisionist history is stupid. Sony could not have launched PS3 anywhere near $300 and still provided anywhere near the same system. They lost $200/console at $599. They gambled and lost. Simple.

PS4 will not not have some magical advantage due to Bluray being cheaper. Component costs come down for everyone equally. Micrsoft and Nintendo are able to use the same parts that Sony uses when they build their next gen systems.

Also, Sony has never, not once, used the same media format over again. I would say that it's far from a guartanee that they will start now.

 

sony has not used the same format over again cause when they launched their systems they already had forstas which were cheap and g and upcoming

 

CD was present when making PS1 and cheap,DVD was present when PS2 was there and cheap

 

with PS3 they didn't have a format and as SONY always likes to go for making royalties out of their formats like CD and DVD,they did this time with Blu-ray just that BLU-ray was only released very near PS3's launch and hence pretty expensive

 

PS4 will be like PS1 and PS2 that they already have an established and cheap format and there is no way SONY will make a new format as they just lost so much for the format upbringing,PS4 will be their jackpot and thats when blue-ray will truly come up as DVD only truly came up with PS2



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Soriku said:

http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=126710

June 11, 2010 by RawmeatCowboy Filed Under: Wii, Nintendo in general, 3DS

The following commentary comes from Electronic Entertainment Design and Research analyst Jesse Divnich...

"Sony is positioning Move as an upgrade to the Wii. Sony is hoping that they pre-empt Nintendo from upgrading the Wii, so that everybody who would buy [an HD version of Wii] buys a PS3 [instead].”

“Of the developers and publishers that have seen all of the new technologies in advance, they seem to be more excited about what the 3DS has to offer. Nintendo is known for its originality, and even when faced against an emerging competitor in Apple, Nintendo is sticking to its guns by creating a device that no competitor will replicate.”

I think it's only natural that devs are more excited for the 3DS. It's a brand-new platform instead of just a new control scheme. On top of that, they've had less time with the 3DS than Natal or Move. The newest thing is always the most interesting!

Link

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No BIG surprise...though I wonder how this'll affect development.


That's why I like nintendo. Their the first to come up with new things most of the time.



"Sony is hoping that they pre-empt Nintendo from upgrading the Wii, so that everybody who would buy [an HD version of Wii] buys a PS3 [instead].”


So Sony are expecting Wii's successor to be merely a graphical update to the current Wii, then? 


Sigh. -_-'



Nintendo Network ID: Cheebee   3DS Code: 2320 - 6113 - 9046

 

Okay, so basically your problem is, you seem to believe to become the "IT" thing, you need an amazing launch. That's easy to disprove.

See the DS. The console did not really take off until the killer apps (Nintendogs, Brain Age, NSMB, MK) came out for it, and more presentable hardware was released (DS lite). The PSP was matching it in hardware sales, but from that point on it was no contest. The DS' sales literally skyrocketed.

again you are doing the same thing.you just aren't looking at the situation.every situation requires a different view.Nintendo was already the leader in Handheld market and they had momentum.also DS sales were low as gameboy was selling very well.PSP had momentum but mainly its selling point was that it had the PLAYSTATION name and piracy  affected it games so devs pulled out

Modern Warfare 2 was the "IT" thing because Modern Warfare 1 was so damn good. Everyone who played the first game convinced their friends to buy it, which is why the launch was so strong. Again, word of mouth. Just look at how strong Modern Warfare 1's legs were.

Modern Warfare games just wasn't the WORD OF MOUTH effect,it was so much more than that.it was cause of all the hype surrounding it and cause everybody was buying it.most people didn't even play the game much as they just bought to be the part of the HERD.

Take a game like Just Dance. Virtually nobody knew about it or how successful it might be when it launched, but once it got in the people's hands, the sales just took off. That is the power of word of mouth, something you are seriously underestimating. Yes, a big launch will amplify this power (due to it being in more hands), but it's not entirely necessary.

WORD of mouth has power but not that much,it is limited but if a majority people have it then other people buyi it as they think it has become a neccesity as everyone has it.

Speaking of Just Dance, the game also helps disprove your brand name theory. Ubisoft didn't need Nintendo's name on the box to achieve Nintendo-like sales, they only needed to follow the same strategy. Although it started slower than it would if Nintendo pushed it (because Nintendo deservedly has a huge following), it still ends up selling tons. If Nokia came out with the iPhone, complete with the advertisements, app store, fun interface and all, no doubt it'd have sold fantastically, even if the launch wasn't great. Word of mouth would have done its work.

JUST DANCE did get Nintendo like sales,no where near it but it had good sales for the title it was to be.

again you just aren't understanding that different situations and things work differently

you are just taking what i said and trying to prove it by different methods that actually don't prove anything

 

Wii Music is a great example of what happens when a hyped product that isn't desired is released. It's frontloaded due to hype from a top-notch brand (Nintendo), but once most people realize it isn't what they want, sales drop off. The so called "casuals" aren't mindless idiots, they know what they like and have fun with, and the sales will always reflect this.

cause everyone already had guitar hero and rock band.

casuals aren't mindless idiots but they don't follow like hardcores either,they get on the bandwagon and follow the "IT" things

Basically, even if PS3 ended up being popular, that wouldn't stop people from loving the Wii. Nintendo had a great advertising campaign right to the people that needed to see it. Besides, did you somehow forget how PSP launched right next to the DS? Both consoles did just fine. The "console wars" aren't a zero-sum game.

PS3 would have ended up being popular as PS2 name was popular and its momentum would have helped the PS3

that wouldn't have stopped people from loving the Wii but if Wii wouldn't have caught up then why would other people follow.

and don't forget PS3 ads would have made more people come if at that low price point

Nintendo had a great ad campaign but you require alot more than that to get you momentum.

Consoles and HANDHELDS are different markets


Lastly, for the Wii sellouts... don't even bother, this isn't arguable. The Wii was sold out pretty much everywhere during its first year.

November 06: http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article643166.ece
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,230561,00.html
December 06: http://news.spong.com/article/11274/Biggest-Console-Launch-Ever-One-Million-Wiis-Sold
January 07: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/31/technology/31game.html
etc. etc.
Record breaking launch sales: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_launch#Sales

 

Wii sellouts did happen but they were restocked are a while and during the holiday.every launch gets sold out but they always restock.

PS2 sellouts happened and they just couldn't restock  its launch holiday

 

also one of the more reasons Wii sold out was that Nintendo's expectation were low as they had not been good in the console market for a while.not saying they just understocked them but overall their expectations would have been lower.

for example if Gamecube was to be the number one console in the PS2 era

 

Nintendo would have stocked 2-3 times of Wii consoles at launch and still soldout.



oldschoolfool said:
Soriku said:

http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=126710

June 11, 2010 by RawmeatCowboy Filed Under: Wii, Nintendo in general, 3DS

The following commentary comes from Electronic Entertainment Design and Research analyst Jesse Divnich...

"Sony is positioning Move as an upgrade to the Wii. Sony is hoping that they pre-empt Nintendo from upgrading the Wii, so that everybody who would buy [an HD version of Wii] buys a PS3 [instead].”

“Of the developers and publishers that have seen all of the new technologies in advance, they seem to be more excited about what the 3DS has to offer. Nintendo is known for its originality, and even when faced against an emerging competitor in Apple, Nintendo is sticking to its guns by creating a device that no competitor will replicate.”

I think it's only natural that devs are more excited for the 3DS. It's a brand-new platform instead of just a new control scheme. On top of that, they've had less time with the 3DS than Natal or Move. The newest thing is always the most interesting!

Link

---

No BIG surprise...though I wonder how this'll affect development.


That's why I like nintendo. Their the first to come up with new things most of the time.

what times?



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Solid_Snake4RD said:

Modern Warfare games just wasn't the WORD OF MOUTH effect,it was so much more than that.it was cause of all the hype surrounding it and cause everybody was buying it.most people didn't even play the game much as they just bought to be the part of the HERD.


Lastly, for the Wii sellouts... don't even bother, this isn't arguable. The Wii was sold out pretty much everywhere during its first year.

November 06: http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article643166.ece
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,230561,00.html
December 06: http://news.spong.com/article/11274/Biggest-Console-Launch-Ever-One-Million-Wiis-Sold
January 07: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/31/technology/31game.html
etc. etc.
Record breaking launch sales: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_launch#Sales

 

Wii sellouts did happen but they were restocked are a while and during the holiday.every launch gets sold out but they always restock.

PS2 sellouts happened and they just couldn't restock  its launch holiday

 

also one of the more reasons Wii sold out was that Nintendo's expectation were low as they had not been good in the console market for a while.not saying they just understocked them but overall their expectations would have been lower.

for example if Gamecube was to be the number one console in the PS2 era

 

Nintendo would have stocked 2-3 times of Wii consoles at launch and still soldout.

Most people didn't even play the game? You can't be serious...

After the first week, there 8 million players tried online (VGC has PS360 sales at ~8.2mil, PC sales unknown). As of March 2010, 25 million unique players played the game (most from X360, which require paid accounts).

Where do you think all this hype comes from? The game media, the reviewers? None of this is actually important. They tried to hype the hell out of GTA IV, and it didn't work. As soon as the game got into people's hands, its legs were cut off. I'll say it again, customers are not as mindless as you think they are. 


Arguing the Wii sellout point is silly. Yes, the Wii was sold out and restocked, but guess what? As soon as the console restocked, they're all bought out immediately. You didn't read the links (that gave the situation in each respective month).

As for Nintendo's low expectations? That's what my last link was for, I'll quote it for you:

On December 12, 2006, sales data analysis firm Chart-Track and Nintendo confirmed with several press outlets in the United Kingdom that the Wii had become the fastest selling video game console in the region's recorded history, selling 105,000 consoles in its opening weekend

 Nintendo announced on the following day that the Wii had sold 325,000 units across Europe in its first two days of sale, making it the fastest selling console across the entire European continent.

They were producing as many Wii's as they could, but couldn't keep up with demand. Seeing how the console is still the fastest selling in history (from launch), that isn't surprising.



TaichungSteve said:

Revisionist history is stupid. Sony could not have launched PS3 anywhere near $300 and still provided anywhere near the same system. They lost $200/console at $599. They gambled and lost. Simple.

PS4 will not not have some magical advantage due to Bluray being cheaper. Component costs come down for everyone equally. Micrsoft and Nintendo are able to use the same parts that Sony uses when they build their next gen systems.

Also, Sony has never, not once, used the same media format over again. I would say that it's far from a guartanee that they will start now.

 

That would be bad for Nintendo. If they use HD & BlueRay for their next gen systems they won't be much cheaper than Sony/MS. It won't  be easy for Nintento to recreate the Wii success next gen. They need to find something new and exciting . 

Sony/MS won't won't do much damage to the Wii with their new motion control devices either. Wii clearly won this gen and nothing will change that.



c0rd said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:

Modern Warfare games just wasn't the WORD OF MOUTH effect,it was so much more than that.it was cause of all the hype surrounding it and cause everybody was buying it.most people didn't even play the game much as they just bought to be the part of the HERD.


Lastly, for the Wii sellouts... don't even bother, this isn't arguable. The Wii was sold out pretty much everywhere during its first year.

November 06: http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article643166.ece
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,230561,00.html
December 06: http://news.spong.com/article/11274/Biggest-Console-Launch-Ever-One-Million-Wiis-Sold
January 07: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/31/technology/31game.html
etc. etc.
Record breaking launch sales: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_launch#Sales

 

Wii sellouts did happen but they were restocked are a while and during the holiday.every launch gets sold out but they always restock.

PS2 sellouts happened and they just couldn't restock  its launch holiday

 

also one of the more reasons Wii sold out was that Nintendo's expectation were low as they had not been good in the console market for a while.not saying they just understocked them but overall their expectations would have been lower.

for example if Gamecube was to be the number one console in the PS2 era

 

Nintendo would have stocked 2-3 times of Wii consoles at launch and still soldout.

Most people didn't even play the game? You can't be serious...

After the first week, there 8 million players tried online (VGC has PS360 sales at ~8.2mil, PC sales unknown). As of March 2010, 25 million unique players played the game (most from X360, which require paid accounts).

Where do you think all this hype comes from? The game media, the reviewers? None of this is actually important. They tried to hype the hell out of GTA IV, and it didn't work. As soon as the game got into people's hands, its legs were cut off. I'll say it again, customers are not as mindless as you think they are. 


Arguing the Wii sellout point is silly. Yes, the Wii was sold out and restocked, but guess what? As soon as the console restocked, they're all bought out immediately. You didn't read the links (that gave the situation in each respective month).

As for Nintendo's low expectations? That's what my last link was for, I'll quote it for you:

 

On December 12, 2006, sales data analysis firm Chart-Track and Nintendo confirmed with several press outlets in the United Kingdom that the Wii had become the fastest selling video game console in the region's recorded history, selling 105,000 consoles in its opening weekend

 Nintendo announced on the following day that the Wii had sold 325,000 units across Europe in its first two days of sale, making it the fastest selling console across the entire European continent.

They were producing as many Wii's as they could, but couldn't keep up with demand. Seeing how the console is still the fastest selling in history (from launch), that isn't surprising.


i meant most didn't play the campaign they just wanted to be in the part of the multiplayer action where everybody was.

GTA is not for all casual gamers but only for hardcore fans and 15-30 casuals

i read the links and most of all follow the gaming sales that time so don't really need those links.

 

IS IT THE FASTED SELLING CONSOLE WORLDWIDE ALSO PS2 WAS NOT IN STOCK AFTER THE FIRST 3 WEEKS



Solid_Snake4RD said:

i meant most didn't play the campaign they just wanted to be in the part of the multiplayer action where everybody was.

GTA is not for all casual gamers but only for hardcore fans and 15-30 casuals

i read the links and most of all follow the gaming sales that time so don't really need those links.

 

IS IT THE FASTED SELLING CONSOLE WORLDWIDE ALSO PS2 WAS NOT IN STOCK AFTER THE FIRST 3 WEEKS

I don't play the Modern Warfare campaigns either. The games are not popular for their campaigns, honestly, I don't even know anyone that completed them. People play it for the multiplayer, because that's where the fun is at.


I gave you the links, because you're trying to deny something that happened - the Wii was sold out for a long, long time after it launched. Seriously, if you want to argue this, you tell me - when was the console not sold out? Because I can't see any point in time when the Wii was easy to find (before late 2007).

I didn't bring up the Wii being the fastest selling from launch to brag about its success. I'm telling you because it makes it pretty damn clear Nintendo was doing their best to produce as many as they can, and did end up making more for its holiday launch than anyone did before, yet it remained sold out. The demand was just too high.

And yes, I meant the fastest worldwide, there were over 4 million sold by the end of January - can't show you how it looks on the graphs without the hardware from launch feature (damn VGC 3.0), but trust me, that's massive. The PS3 was under half this, and the PS2 was produced much slower as well (which all makes sense, since the Wii was older tech).



c0rd said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:

i meant most didn't play the campaign they just wanted to be in the part of the multiplayer action where everybody was.

GTA is not for all casual gamers but only for hardcore fans and 15-30 casuals

i read the links and most of all follow the gaming sales that time so don't really need those links.

 

IS IT THE FASTED SELLING CONSOLE WORLDWIDE ALSO PS2 WAS NOT IN STOCK AFTER THE FIRST 3 WEEKS

I don't play the Modern Warfare campaigns either. The games are not popular for their campaigns, honestly, I don't even know anyone that completed them. People play it for the multiplayer, because that's where the fun is at.


I gave you the links, because you're trying to deny something that happened - the Wii was sold out for a long, long time after it launched. Seriously, if you want to argue this, you tell me - when was the console not sold out? Because I can't see any point in time when the Wii was easy to find (before late 2007).

I didn't bring up the Wii being the fastest selling from launch to brag about its success. I'm telling you because it makes it pretty damn clear Nintendo was doing their best to produce as many as they can, and did end up making more for its holiday launch than anyone did before, yet it remained sold out. The demand was just too high.

And yes, I meant the fastest worldwide, there were over 4 million sold by the end of January - can't show you how it looks on the graphs without the hardware from launch feature (damn VGC 3.0), but trust me, that's massive. The PS3 was under half this, and the PS2 was produced much slower as well (which all makes sense, since the Wii was older tech).


u jst proved u are a casual.thats where the fun is the exact what casuals go for

OH MAN,its SO FUN AND COOL..................................lol

people play multiplayer only as they don't have any interest in the game and just go to play multiplayer to be with their friends and be the part of the herd

wii was sold out but it was also restocked.it was never completely outsold like the PS2 like one month blank like thing

also the selling out was also to the fact that Nintendo just didn't expect much because of their failures in the past 2 gens

PS2 also had PS1 rnning succesfully,how much was GC at

 

you are just not understanding how momentum and business strategies work.