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Solid_Snake4RD said:

you really think a casual goes onto upgrading their game system as fast as a new generation launches.no they don't but hardcores do and thats what helped PS2 and the old succes of PS1.

do you think everybody out there even knew when Wii was launched or announced,no they din't they just followed it because of it was the thing to get that time.the Wii sales weren't good at first but they just took off in the second year.now tell me if PS3 was $299,it would have taken off from the first year itself and then Wii sales would have been low like you can see now,even though PS3 is cheap and has good games,Wii succes just overshadowed it and it is being difficult for the PS3 to climb in sales

brand name and price point alone don't make 100% of sales but they make you have a good start and once you have that,it is hard for other people to dethrone you

you think the iphones are better than the other powerful phones,no they arent't but APPLE names blinds people who just don't follow specs.

Uh, did you miss the part where the Wii was sold out for years? Nintendo could only sell as many Wiis as they produced.

As for Wii's sales being low now, it's because most of their killer apps were released earlier in its life (2006-2008), not to mention already selling 70 million units. Even with its "low" sales, it's still selling about 150% of what the $299 PS3 sells, and still keeping pace with the PS2 (its 4th year will remain higher).

Also, the PS3 had no killer apps when it launched. A $299 PS3 without games (which you seem to forget) would not have outsold the Wii launching with a game as strong as Wii Sports. What would mom and her kids do with the PS3, anyway, play Ridge Racer together? People buy the console for the games, not because it's popular.

I don't know why you're so intent on discrediting Nintendo's hand this gen. Even if the Wii had a worthy PS competitor, it would have still sold tons - comparing the Wii's potential to failures like Dreamcast, GC, XB is laughable. There's no comparison to make with these at all. The damn Wii balance board outsold these consoles.

Just face it - Nintendo made the winning console this gen. The Wii appeals to far more people than the Playstation 3 can ever hope for, regardless of its price. Moms, girls, children, and other new gamers can easily pick up a wii-mote and have fun with the Wii. The PS3 requires one to pick up an intimidating controller with tons of buttons, and the games themselves aren't exactly friendly to newcomers.


You also seem to be confused on why Apple is so successful. People don't buy the iPhone because they think it's the most powerful, they buy it because of its interface, style, reliability (brand name), the app store, and of course, word of mouth (from satisfied customers). Like Nintendo, they focus on the customer experience, so they won't go for the feature-rich angle, they'll cut out all the fat and focus on things people care more about that other companies neglect, like style, ease of use, or even fun.

WII wasn't sold out the first year so much but in 2007 when everybody got to know about the 'COOL' thing.and every big console gets soldout,PS2 was sold out after 4 weeks of its launch first year so don't give that excuse.

and don't compare PS2 vs Wii sales,lets see how many sales will Wii have in the next few years then we will compare.

PS3 had no killer app as SONY knew launching it wouldn't be profitable as not many consumers even with the big games wouldn't come with the high price and that more sales will just make them more losswhy do you think they saved GT5 as to make sales when PS3 is making profit and bring some mommentum when PS3 is releasing its big games.

"People buy the console for the games, not because it's popular." - what part don't you understand.you are the person who says just because i buy consoles for games,that means everybody else does too".yes the people buy it for games,but that is not their sole motivation,popularity,their friends having it,it being the 'COOL' thing,etc

why do you think Modern Warfare 2 sold over everybody's prediction cause Activision hyped it,it was the 'COOL' thing people wanted to showoff that they had.

I am not saying that Wii is a bad console of Nintendo isn't a good company but the brand power and momentum means alot.

you just keep saying the same thing over and over again,just because Wii  sold out and balance board sold out,it would have beaten PS3 and would be the same but you just don't understand if PS3 was lower price,it would have bnever let the Wii be so popular and so its sales wouldn't have launched well and Wii would have been overshadowed

"Just face it - Nintendo made the winning console this gen"...............................lmao

just a good console doesn't mean anything,brand power and momentum means alot more to that.Moms, girls, children that you taqlk off don't follow gaming so if Wii wasn't the "IT" thing then they wouldn't have known much about it.

"Even with its "low" sales, it's still selling about 150% of what the $299 PS3 sells," -thats what i'm trying to tell you from so long.now that Wii is popular and brand Wii is the biggest so its hard for PS3 to get sales.but that wouldn't have happened if PS3 wouldn't have launched at $299 as it would have continued the momentum and then Wii would have had hard climb.

"You also seem to be confused on why Apple is so successful. People don't buy the iPhone because they think it's the most powerful, they buy it because of its interface, style, reliability (brand name), the app store, and of course, word of mouth (from satisfied customers)" 

i never said people buy it because its the most powerful or anything like that cause its not.you urself said it the brand name.

also do you really think the iPHONE would have been popular if it was launched by NOKIA in the United statesa all the things regarding th iPHONE remaining the same.No it wouldn't have as APPLE is a 'COOL' company right now

and iPHONE was far from the best User Interface but it still sold loads as brand momentum of iPOD gave it a good launch

word of mouth has less to do when a big company launches a thing.



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Okay, so basically your problem is, you seem to believe to become the "IT" thing, you need an amazing launch. That's easy to disprove.

See the DS. The console did not really take off until the killer apps (Nintendogs, Brain Age, NSMB, MK) came out for it, and more presentable hardware was released (DS lite). The PSP was matching it in hardware sales, but from that point on it was no contest. The DS' sales literally skyrocketed.

Modern Warfare 2 was the "IT" thing because Modern Warfare 1 was so damn good. Everyone who played the first game convinced their friends to buy it, which is why the launch was so strong. Again, word of mouth. Just look at how strong Modern Warfare 1's legs were.

Take a game like Just Dance. Virtually nobody knew about it or how successful it might be when it launched, but once it got in the people's hands, the sales just took off. That is the power of word of mouth, something you are seriously underestimating. Yes, a big launch will amplify this power (due to it being in more hands), but it's not entirely necessary.

Speaking of Just Dance, the game also helps disprove your brand name theory. Ubisoft didn't need Nintendo's name on the box to achieve Nintendo-like sales, they only needed to follow the same strategy. Although it started slower than it would if Nintendo pushed it (because Nintendo deservedly has a huge following), it still ends up selling tons. If Nokia came out with the iPhone, complete with the advertisements, app store, fun interface and all, no doubt it'd have sold fantastically, even if the launch wasn't great. Word of mouth would have done its work.

Wii Music is a great example of what happens when a hyped product that isn't desired is released. It's frontloaded due to hype from a top-notch brand (Nintendo), but once most people realize it isn't what they want, sales drop off. The so called "casuals" aren't mindless idiots, they know what they like and have fun with, and the sales will always reflect this.

Basically, even if PS3 ended up being popular, that wouldn't stop people from loving the Wii. Nintendo had a great advertising campaign right to the people that needed to see it. Besides, did you somehow forget how PSP launched right next to the DS? Both consoles did just fine. The "console wars" aren't a zero-sum game.


Lastly, for the Wii sellouts... don't even bother, this isn't arguable. The Wii was sold out pretty much everywhere during its first year.

November 06: http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article643166.ece
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,230561,00.html
December 06: http://news.spong.com/article/11274/Biggest-Console-Launch-Ever-One-Million-Wiis-Sold
January 07: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/31/technology/31game.html
etc. etc.
Record breaking launch sales: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_launch#Sales



Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's a bad product. It may be a bad product for you, but for many other people that same product may be a perfect fit for them. It doesn't make them stupid or a follower because they like something you don't. It does however make you seem like a snob and know it all.



Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.

Revisionist history is stupid. Sony could not have launched PS3 anywhere near $300 and still provided anywhere near the same system. They lost $200/console at $599. They gambled and lost. Simple.

PS4 will not not have some magical advantage due to Bluray being cheaper. Component costs come down for everyone equally. Micrsoft and Nintendo are able to use the same parts that Sony uses when they build their next gen systems.

Also, Sony has never, not once, used the same media format over again. I would say that it's far from a guartanee that they will start now.

 



Grimes said:

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's a bad product. It may be a bad product for you, but for many other people that same product may be a perfect fit for them. It doesn't make them stupid or a follower because they like something you don't. It does however make you seem like a snob and know it all.


make me seem like a snob..........lol

i like Wii and many of its hardcore games,Old nintendo franchises but not the new

 

its just that you all are saying that a console brand which had such momentum would have been just outsold jst like that



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TaichungSteve said:

Revisionist history is stupid. Sony could not have launched PS3 anywhere near $300 and still provided anywhere near the same system. They lost $200/console at $599. They gambled and lost. Simple.

PS4 will not not have some magical advantage due to Bluray being cheaper. Component costs come down for everyone equally. Micrsoft and Nintendo are able to use the same parts that Sony uses when they build their next gen systems.

Also, Sony has never, not once, used the same media format over again. I would say that it's far from a guartanee that they will start now.

 

sony has not used the same format over again cause when they launched their systems they already had forstas which were cheap and g and upcoming

 

CD was present when making PS1 and cheap,DVD was present when PS2 was there and cheap

 

with PS3 they didn't have a format and as SONY always likes to go for making royalties out of their formats like CD and DVD,they did this time with Blu-ray just that BLU-ray was only released very near PS3's launch and hence pretty expensive

 

PS4 will be like PS1 and PS2 that they already have an established and cheap format and there is no way SONY will make a new format as they just lost so much for the format upbringing,PS4 will be their jackpot and thats when blue-ray will truly come up as DVD only truly came up with PS2



Soriku said:

http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=126710

June 11, 2010 by RawmeatCowboy Filed Under: Wii, Nintendo in general, 3DS

The following commentary comes from Electronic Entertainment Design and Research analyst Jesse Divnich...

"Sony is positioning Move as an upgrade to the Wii. Sony is hoping that they pre-empt Nintendo from upgrading the Wii, so that everybody who would buy [an HD version of Wii] buys a PS3 [instead].”

“Of the developers and publishers that have seen all of the new technologies in advance, they seem to be more excited about what the 3DS has to offer. Nintendo is known for its originality, and even when faced against an emerging competitor in Apple, Nintendo is sticking to its guns by creating a device that no competitor will replicate.”

I think it's only natural that devs are more excited for the 3DS. It's a brand-new platform instead of just a new control scheme. On top of that, they've had less time with the 3DS than Natal or Move. The newest thing is always the most interesting!

Link

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No BIG surprise...though I wonder how this'll affect development.


That's why I like nintendo. Their the first to come up with new things most of the time.



"Sony is hoping that they pre-empt Nintendo from upgrading the Wii, so that everybody who would buy [an HD version of Wii] buys a PS3 [instead].”


So Sony are expecting Wii's successor to be merely a graphical update to the current Wii, then? 


Sigh. -_-'



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Okay, so basically your problem is, you seem to believe to become the "IT" thing, you need an amazing launch. That's easy to disprove.

See the DS. The console did not really take off until the killer apps (Nintendogs, Brain Age, NSMB, MK) came out for it, and more presentable hardware was released (DS lite). The PSP was matching it in hardware sales, but from that point on it was no contest. The DS' sales literally skyrocketed.

again you are doing the same thing.you just aren't looking at the situation.every situation requires a different view.Nintendo was already the leader in Handheld market and they had momentum.also DS sales were low as gameboy was selling very well.PSP had momentum but mainly its selling point was that it had the PLAYSTATION name and piracy  affected it games so devs pulled out

Modern Warfare 2 was the "IT" thing because Modern Warfare 1 was so damn good. Everyone who played the first game convinced their friends to buy it, which is why the launch was so strong. Again, word of mouth. Just look at how strong Modern Warfare 1's legs were.

Modern Warfare games just wasn't the WORD OF MOUTH effect,it was so much more than that.it was cause of all the hype surrounding it and cause everybody was buying it.most people didn't even play the game much as they just bought to be the part of the HERD.

Take a game like Just Dance. Virtually nobody knew about it or how successful it might be when it launched, but once it got in the people's hands, the sales just took off. That is the power of word of mouth, something you are seriously underestimating. Yes, a big launch will amplify this power (due to it being in more hands), but it's not entirely necessary.

WORD of mouth has power but not that much,it is limited but if a majority people have it then other people buyi it as they think it has become a neccesity as everyone has it.

Speaking of Just Dance, the game also helps disprove your brand name theory. Ubisoft didn't need Nintendo's name on the box to achieve Nintendo-like sales, they only needed to follow the same strategy. Although it started slower than it would if Nintendo pushed it (because Nintendo deservedly has a huge following), it still ends up selling tons. If Nokia came out with the iPhone, complete with the advertisements, app store, fun interface and all, no doubt it'd have sold fantastically, even if the launch wasn't great. Word of mouth would have done its work.

JUST DANCE did get Nintendo like sales,no where near it but it had good sales for the title it was to be.

again you just aren't understanding that different situations and things work differently

you are just taking what i said and trying to prove it by different methods that actually don't prove anything

 

Wii Music is a great example of what happens when a hyped product that isn't desired is released. It's frontloaded due to hype from a top-notch brand (Nintendo), but once most people realize it isn't what they want, sales drop off. The so called "casuals" aren't mindless idiots, they know what they like and have fun with, and the sales will always reflect this.

cause everyone already had guitar hero and rock band.

casuals aren't mindless idiots but they don't follow like hardcores either,they get on the bandwagon and follow the "IT" things

Basically, even if PS3 ended up being popular, that wouldn't stop people from loving the Wii. Nintendo had a great advertising campaign right to the people that needed to see it. Besides, did you somehow forget how PSP launched right next to the DS? Both consoles did just fine. The "console wars" aren't a zero-sum game.

PS3 would have ended up being popular as PS2 name was popular and its momentum would have helped the PS3

that wouldn't have stopped people from loving the Wii but if Wii wouldn't have caught up then why would other people follow.

and don't forget PS3 ads would have made more people come if at that low price point

Nintendo had a great ad campaign but you require alot more than that to get you momentum.

Consoles and HANDHELDS are different markets


Lastly, for the Wii sellouts... don't even bother, this isn't arguable. The Wii was sold out pretty much everywhere during its first year.

November 06: http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article643166.ece
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,230561,00.html
December 06: http://news.spong.com/article/11274/Biggest-Console-Launch-Ever-One-Million-Wiis-Sold
January 07: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/31/technology/31game.html
etc. etc.
Record breaking launch sales: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_launch#Sales

 

Wii sellouts did happen but they were restocked are a while and during the holiday.every launch gets sold out but they always restock.

PS2 sellouts happened and they just couldn't restock  its launch holiday

 

also one of the more reasons Wii sold out was that Nintendo's expectation were low as they had not been good in the console market for a while.not saying they just understocked them but overall their expectations would have been lower.

for example if Gamecube was to be the number one console in the PS2 era

 

Nintendo would have stocked 2-3 times of Wii consoles at launch and still soldout.



oldschoolfool said:
Soriku said:

http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=126710

June 11, 2010 by RawmeatCowboy Filed Under: Wii, Nintendo in general, 3DS

The following commentary comes from Electronic Entertainment Design and Research analyst Jesse Divnich...

"Sony is positioning Move as an upgrade to the Wii. Sony is hoping that they pre-empt Nintendo from upgrading the Wii, so that everybody who would buy [an HD version of Wii] buys a PS3 [instead].”

“Of the developers and publishers that have seen all of the new technologies in advance, they seem to be more excited about what the 3DS has to offer. Nintendo is known for its originality, and even when faced against an emerging competitor in Apple, Nintendo is sticking to its guns by creating a device that no competitor will replicate.”

I think it's only natural that devs are more excited for the 3DS. It's a brand-new platform instead of just a new control scheme. On top of that, they've had less time with the 3DS than Natal or Move. The newest thing is always the most interesting!

Link

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No BIG surprise...though I wonder how this'll affect development.


That's why I like nintendo. Their the first to come up with new things most of the time.

what times?