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Avinash_Tyagi on 02 December 2007
Bladeneo said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Bladeneo said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
PS-She said:
Sri Lumpa said:

True, but conversely there will be plenty of games that can only be made in the Wii because of the Wiimote, or that would be much better with it. I am sure that if RE5 or another RE4 style RE game came to the Wii that it would be more successful than RE5 on either 360 or PS3 and possibly do better than both combined due to the superior controls (plus the RE series already proved itself on the Wii whereas it hasn't done so on the PS3 or 360).

More successful maybe, but a better game definitely not. For all the stuff the Wiimote does, the Wii is still a large step down from the PS3 or even the 360.

 


Not in terms of gameplay, just in terms of graphics, SMG is still the best game on any of the three consoles at the moment, not because of graphics, but because of gameplay


Personally, SMG isnt the best game on the 3 consoles. Its very good, but I was put off by its simplicity and how quickly the majority of levels seem to be finished.

If SMG was on the 360/PS3, it'd still be as good, but with superior graphics and sound. So while the "wiimote" adds all this innovation, its still a game that doesnt really invoke that much use of the Wiimote thats claimed to be the best.


Your opinion that its not the best, however the ranking puts SMG just below OoT in terms of overall quality.

 

Actually the intention behind the short levels was of course due to the interest in allowigng the game to be accessible, and while the game doesn't us the Wiimote for everything, what it does use the Wiimote and motions controls for does work very well and comes across as very intuitive. On the 360 and PS3 the graphics would be better, but the gameplay would be less intuitve and accessible, it would be overly complex controls and not as enjoyable, theprimitve controls of the 360 and PS3 would have marred the quality of the game


 I couldnt care less about the rankings, Its called MY OPINION. If i cared about the rankings Id have asked you to tell me them. 

No, the PS3 controls arent primitive. You can just as easily WAGGLE the PS3 sixaxis and get the same bloody results for a spin move. The wiimote was barely used at all, and it felt like nintendo went "We have to justify having a motion sensor, lets use it for this".

 Short levels, to me, doesnt equal interest. But, as the Wii is for casual gamers we have to dumb down the game or little 7 year olds or 50 year olds wont be interested. I think SMG is a brilliant game, but I dont like the fact it lost potential to increase sales.


 Yeah which is why I was saying your opinion doesn't carry much weight.

 Yeah it is primitive, you couldn't get the same effect with the PS3 controller, because they are joined unlike the Wiimote which is split into two parts and it would be awkward, the Wiimote controls on the other hand were elegant in their simplicity, sure the motion controls weren't used a lot but why use them too much when you don't have to, the better developers know how to balance its use.

Short levels don't mean a short game, with 120 stars, and the possibility of playing as Luigi, there is no lost potential.  The game ranks in at around 30-40 hours, a long enough game by most standards, if you think it is somehow lacking you must not have actually played through ti the full way

 

Yeah, even I have to agree that the waggle controls in Super Mario Galaxy weren't really needed.

 

Have to disagree, if the idea is to try and limit the complexity then waggling the nunchuk or wiimote is more natural than adding in another button combination.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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fkusumot on 02 December 2007
PS-She said:
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I'm going to rant for a little bit so bear with me.

I generally hate the argument that improved graphics don't matter, because you know what? They do.

There's a reason that almost every review in the past 10 years has included graphics/looks on its scale. I'll give you a clue, it's because it's important. Everyone was fine with that until the Wii came around. Now because the Wii is so shitty that it can't even render a pair of waffles in HD, suddenly graphics don't matter. They're suddenly not an improvement.

I'm sorry, but that's a lame argument. It's akin to what you'd expect to hear out of a 7 year old.

Child 1: You got an F on your Math test. Ha ha!
Child 2: Oh yeah, well... Math doesn't matter!

That's honestly what the "graphics aren't an improvement" argument and the people who repeat it sound like-7 year olds. The argument itself is the retarded offspring of a bunch of fanboys trying to save their pride since their console sucks at making awesome graphics and represents little actual improvement in the graphic or sound area.

Keep using that argument though. Save your pride. Don't consider graphics an improvement. I'll be enjoying my PS3 with its amazingly well rendered environments and the many breathtaking visual effects of its games. Wii fans can enjoy their SMG complete with jaggies and a system so weak it can't even render Mario some shoe laces.


The DS says "What, graphics, me? lolz" Seriously, the best selling system with the most games has the worst graphics. So how does that fit into a sales discussion?


I think you're in the wrong forum if you're looking for a sales discussion. Didn't I already tell you in another thread to make a right at Albuquerque? Geez you're bad at following directions.


I think you didn't read the thread title.

Since you mentioned the other thread. So I can be clear on your thoughts, you were saying that children should not be sheltered from Xbox Live, if I'm reading your comments correctly. You're also of the opinion that "Home" doesn't also fall into the same category? Thanks again for your thoughts on the matter. 



I Blame Wii Fit!

HappySqurriel on 02 December 2007

Maybe I'm just becomming an 'old-fart' in the gaming world but I truely do not believe that the difference in graphical capabilities between the Wii and the XBox 360/PS3 represents a meaningful difference. I think I have a somewhat different perspective because of my age (28) and that I got into videogames at a young age as compared to many people here.

The jump from the N64/Playstation to the Gamecube/PS2/XBox was heavily meaningful because it provided the processing power necessary to build much more realistic environments, use advanced animation techniques which are necessary to bring forward the storytelling aspects of games, and it removed most of the limitations that were preventing developers from realizing their vision. If you go back and look at most Playstation games you can see how limited developers were:

Even using pre-rendering, it was very difficult to produce much in the way of mood or tone in these games.

The Gamecube/PS2/XBox changed all of that and have made it possible to really build tension, produce interesting characters, and create more dynamic (believeable) environments. Certainly, the PS3 and XBox 360 can improve upon these things but they are far from perfecting them, and it is a far more meaningful move to go from having nothing to having something that is alright than to go from something that is alright to something that is somewhat better ...



fkusumot on 03 December 2007
PDF said:
I still think the wii will die down in a couple years.

 Have you thought about a career as an analyst? You would do just fine.



I Blame Wii Fit!

Rath on 03 December 2007
PS-She said:
 

I'm going to rant for a little bit so bear with me.

I generally hate the argument that improved graphics don't matter, because you know what? They do.

There's a reason that almost every review in the past 10 years has included graphics/looks on its scale. I'll give you a clue, it's because it's important. Everyone was fine with that until the Wii came around. Now because the Wii is so shitty that it can't even render a pair of waffles in HD, suddenly graphics don't matter. They're suddenly not an improvement.

I'm sorry, but that's a lame argument. It's akin to what you'd expect to hear out of a 7 year old.

Child 1: You got an F on your Math test. Ha ha!
Child 2: Oh yeah, well... Math doesn't matter!

That's honestly what the "graphics aren't an improvement" argument and the people who repeat it sound like-7 year olds. The argument itself is the retarded offspring of a bunch of fanboys trying to save their pride since their console sucks at making awesome graphics and represents little actual improvement in the graphic or sound area.

Keep using that argument though. Save your pride. Don't consider graphics an improvement. I'll be enjoying my PS3 with its amazingly well rendered environments and the many breathtaking visual effects of its games. Wii fans can enjoy their SMG complete with jaggies and a system so weak it can't even render Mario some shoe laces.


I don't know about you but I'd far rather worry about a game being fun than worrying if I can see Mario's shoelaces.

Thats not to say graphics aren't important in many games they are and in some games they are extremely important. To a first person shooter that aims to create a horror atmosphere graphics are important, in a racing game graphics are important, in a platformer not so much and in a puzzle game hardly at all. Graphics however is always at the very least third in my personal list of requirments for a game, with gameplay and length above it, sometimes its even lower with audio being a more important factor.

Oh and having subpar graphics is not like failing maths as maths is one of the most important subjects at school, its like failing physical education. Phys Ed makes you look good and requires a lot of power but it doesnt actually make you an academic. 



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Avinash_Tyagi on 03 December 2007
fkusumot said:
PDF said:
I still think the wii will die down in a couple years.

 Have you thought about a career as an analyst? You would do just fine.


 Poorly reasoned analysis, with no supporting evidence, oh yeah he'd give Pachter a run for his money :D



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Rath on 03 December 2007
PDF said:

It is a Novelty. A new fun innovation that gets boring after a while. As far as most games go on it they are no better and will be no better than a ps2 game. As soon as the hype from the motion controls die down so will the console because besides the controller, you really dont have much.


 See: Nintendo DS



ShastaMasta on 03 December 2007
fkusumot said:
PDF said:
I still think the wii will die down in a couple years.

 Have you thought about a career as an analyst? You would do just fine.


 it is true, a few years from now around 2011 or 12 the wii's successor will be released



Louie on 03 December 2007

Okay Rol, you hit him hard!

Now use "Kladderpampe" to knock him out!

Nice Avatar by the way...



Avinash_Tyagi on 03 December 2007
PDF said:
@RolStoppable - give me a reason why people want to buy a inferior console after price of the 360 and ps3 are near that of the wii.
@Rath - PSP was going into a Nintendo dominated market to start with. Also DS is exaclty what handheld owners want. A handheld not a console that has been stripped down to handheld size. The DS power between the PSP is not as big of a gap between the Wii and ps3.

 Same reson they stuck with the PS2 last gen even thought the Xbox was the same price, games, and contrary to what you say Wii games are better than those on the PS3 and 360, Metroid prime 3 is hailed as the best controls, RE4 Wii is hailed as the definitive version, Mario Galaxy is the second best game of all time in terms of reviews, Wii fit is exploding in Japan, SSBB and Mario Kart wait on the wings, and a flood of other games are poised ready to join the fray.

 

The DS is not a home console, but it does show what drives a market, accessibility, fun gameplay, width of demographic appeal, Wii has all of these, PS3 and 360 do not have, theyare much more limited in appeal



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)