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nightsurge on 04 June 2010
SuperAnthony64 said:
nightsurge said:
SuperAnthony64 said:
nightsurge said:
supercat said:

There has been an arcade unit for $199 for a while, hasn't helped much has it?   But now, we have a lot of improvements in the PS3 coming:

 

-PSN premium services which will add another source of revenue

-Google TV 

-Move                           

 

The 360's improvements are nowhere near the PS3's improvements this year. 

LOL!  So you think Natal will add up to nothing, but Move will help the PS3?  You think a rumored price of $150 for Natal is too much, but the price of a single person to play Move games would be ~$140 already, and if you want to play just 2 player games... that's another $100.  Ouch.

I'm sure XBL will be adding tons of features.  Heck it is already leaked to be getting Hulu which will combat Google TV quite a bit and I'm sure there will be quite a bit more.

You are also forgetting the 360 redesign coupled with a price cut.

And last but not least, was this thread really necessary?  Are you really so ignorant and short sighted to forget this EXACT SAME SCENARIO only with the PS3 in desperate need JUST LAST YEAR?  Quit feeding the fanboy console wars with this junk.

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/03/10/playstation-move-bundles-announced-starter-kit-under-100/  Sony said under $100 for a move starter kit. PS move PS eye, and game. Thats not $140.

$99 for PS Move Eye Game.  But to play all Move games, you need 2 PS Moves Subcontroller.  PS Move controllers are rumored to cost $60 a piece standalone.  Subcontroller anywhere from $20-40.  So I guess it would actually be closer to $180-200 for just one person to play.  Thanks for pointing out my mistake

where dis oyu see ALL games need the sub controller?

I said to play ALL Move games.  As in, if you want to be able to play every Move game possible you need all that.  I didn't say all Move games need all 3.  Some games require a PS Move.  Some require 2 PS Moves.  Some require PS Move and a Subcontroller.  In order to play any Move game you want to, you need 2 PS Moves and a Subcontroller.



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Seihyouken on 04 June 2010
SuperAnthony64 said:
nightsurge said:
supercat said:

There has been an arcade unit for $199 for a while, hasn't helped much has it?   But now, we have a lot of improvements in the PS3 coming:

 

-PSN premium services which will add another source of revenue

-Google TV 

-Move                           

 

The 360's improvements are nowhere near the PS3's improvements this year. 

LOL!  So you think Natal will add up to nothing, but Move will help the PS3?  You think a rumored price of $150 for Natal is too much, but the price of a single person to play Move games would be ~$140 already, and if you want to play just 2 player games... that's another $100.  Ouch.

I'm sure XBL will be adding tons of features.  Heck it is already leaked to be getting Hulu which will combat Google TV quite a bit and I'm sure there will be quite a bit more.

You are also forgetting the 360 redesign coupled with a price cut.

And last but not least, was this thread really necessary?  Are you really so ignorant and short sighted to forget this EXACT SAME SCENARIO only with the PS3 in desperate need JUST LAST YEAR?  Quit feeding the fanboy console wars with this junk.

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/03/10/playstation-move-bundles-announced-starter-kit-under-100/  Sony said under $100 for a move starter kit. PS move PS eye, and game. Thats not $140.

Most likely he's either throwing in a second Move controller or Navigation controller into the mix for games like SOCOM 4 or The Fight: Lights Out. He's ignoring that not all games require either and guessing at the pricepoint of one of them from there.

His point still stand that Move probably isn't any cheaper than Natal when you go all out with a PlayStation Eye, game, 2 Move controllers, and a Navigation controller, but this is the same logic that PS3 fanboys use to try to claim that PS3 is significantly cheaper than 360 when you add in a Wireless Adapter, rechargable batteries, 120GB Hard drive, Live subscription, and a seperate Blu-ray player. It's all very true, but your typical shopper standing in front of a $199 360 Arcade and a $299 120GB PS3 who doesn't have any interest in watching blu-ray movies, or downloading a lot of games is going to have trouble justifying the PS3's extra cost. The same is the situation with Move and Natal. A customer who just wants to play EyePet or The Shoot and only needs one Move controller is going to see the bundle at less than $100 and see Natal at possibly $149 and is going to have to justify the extra cost.



MARCUSDJACKSON on 04 June 2010
supercat said:

I dont think that either Move or Natal will be a big deal at all.     

Bogth require expensive add-on purchases.  Both require expensive game purchases for not much content at all.  Both are targeted at markets that each console doesn't really go after.  

 

I dont see either doing a whole lot.  Since both are pursuing casuals, there is nothing gained over the other. 

 

Secondly, the PS3 is expected to get a price cut as well.


agreed on all points.



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thx1139 on 04 June 2010
Seihyouken said:
SuperAnthony64 said:
nightsurge said:
supercat said:

There has been an arcade unit for $199 for a while, hasn't helped much has it?   But now, we have a lot of improvements in the PS3 coming:

 

-PSN premium services which will add another source of revenue

-Google TV 

-Move                           

 

The 360's improvements are nowhere near the PS3's improvements this year. 

LOL!  So you think Natal will add up to nothing, but Move will help the PS3?  You think a rumored price of $150 for Natal is too much, but the price of a single person to play Move games would be ~$140 already, and if you want to play just 2 player games... that's another $100.  Ouch.

I'm sure XBL will be adding tons of features.  Heck it is already leaked to be getting Hulu which will combat Google TV quite a bit and I'm sure there will be quite a bit more.

You are also forgetting the 360 redesign coupled with a price cut.

And last but not least, was this thread really necessary?  Are you really so ignorant and short sighted to forget this EXACT SAME SCENARIO only with the PS3 in desperate need JUST LAST YEAR?  Quit feeding the fanboy console wars with this junk.

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/03/10/playstation-move-bundles-announced-starter-kit-under-100/  Sony said under $100 for a move starter kit. PS move PS eye, and game. Thats not $140.

Most likely he's either throwing in a second Move controller or Navigation controller into the mix for games like SOCOM 4 or The Fight: Lights Out. He's ignoring that not all games require either and guessing at the pricepoint of one of them from there.

His point still stand that Move probably isn't any cheaper than Natal when you go all out with a PlayStation Eye, game, 2 Move controllers, and a Navigation controller, but this is the same logic that PS3 fanboys use to try to claim that PS3 is significantly cheaper than 360 when you add in a Wireless Adapter, rechargable batteries, 120GB Hard drive, Live subscription, and a seperate Blu-ray player. It's all very true, but your typical shopper standing in front of a $199 360 Arcade and a $299 120GB PS3 who doesn't have any interest in watching blu-ray movies, or downloading a lot of games is going to have trouble justifying the PS3's extra cost. The same is the situation with Move and Natal. A customer who just wants to play EyePet or The Shoot and only needs one Move controller is going to see the bundle at less than $100 and see Natal at possibly $149 and is going to have to justify the extra cost.

The thing is that those people purchasing a Move setup ar $100 and a Natal at $149 are not the people MS and Sony are targetting.  Those people already have a PS3 or a 360 and wont have a choice (unless they are multiconsole owners already).

The people MS and Sony are targetting are the people that dont have a 360 or a PS3.  For those people it looks like a 360 Natal setup will be $300 and a PS3 Move setup at $400.  Truly that is what is important, not the cost for the current 360 and PS3 owners. What they get for that $ we dont know. What games they will have this fall we dont know.  We also really dont know if those prices are right either.  Lots of what ifs that we need to wait about 10 days to find out.  What if 360 Natal setup also comes with a Natal Fit type exercise software. That puts Natal at $300 as the same price a Wii and WiiFit .  We could go on and on.  Wait until E3 and we will have a much better idea.



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Euphoria14 on 04 June 2010

Take $20-40 off the price on the single player experience since the sub controller isn't a mandatory purchase. The dualshock can be used instead.



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nathantay on 04 June 2010

I think MS has some big things at E3 to turn the sales back in their favor. They have been taken a long time to counter Sony with their redesign and pricecut that I believe they have been planing something for a while.



         

lapsed_gamer on 04 June 2010
supercat said:
themanwithnoname said:

People are going to go buy PS3s just because they're adding premium content that you have to pay to access? Am I missing something here?


Yes, it's more about Sony getting more $$$$ which makes it a stronger company, and will be able to do more things with it.

I would put Live money up against PSN money any day. But I agree that price cuts are needed.



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lapsed_gamer on 04 June 2010


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kiefer23 on 04 June 2010
supercat said:
themanwithnoname said:

People are going to go buy PS3s just because they're adding premium content that you have to pay to access? Am I missing something here?


Yes, it's more about Sony getting more $$$$ which makes it a stronger company, and will be able to do more things with it.

Microsoft has money monies which means they are a stronger company..... They can do more things.....

Good Fight Sony.

On a more serious note I love how you say all Natal games and probably Move will all be garbage, cost $60 and offer little to no content. Can I borrow your future goggles so I can save myself some money and pehaps the lottery?



RAZurrection on 04 June 2010

Sigh. At least Gamecube owners accepted their fate early on, Playstation people will be in denile long after the 1st and second place console fans cease to care.