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Riachu said:
weaveworld said:
Tanstalas said:

ok, this is just a post because this thread always shows as 1 unread post even though I don't have any unread posts :P


same here... this thread is broken


I would hardly call it broken

I was kinda playing with my choice of words...

But still, a real shame that such an interesting thread is having 'issues'.



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weaveworld said:
Riachu said:
weaveworld said:
Tanstalas said:

ok, this is just a post because this thread always shows as 1 unread post even though I don't have any unread posts :P


same here... this thread is broken


I would hardly call it broken

I was kinda playing with my choice of words...

But still, a real shame that such an interesting thread is having 'issues'.

That explains why it is my most popular thread ever on this forum.  Ironic it is an off topic thread and not a thread about video games or its sales.



haxxiy said:

I will tell you guys what's wrong with The Sword of Truth. Beyond it's tale being beyond real world depressing. Most of it was taken from a "how to write a fantasy book bible" I own.

First of, the villains. Goodkind is determined that no one empathize with his villain. His villain’s nam e is Darken Rahl. Yes, really. The first time we see him, he’s torturing and disemboweling a child. Yes, really. One of Darken Rahl’s servants is a pedophile whose liking of little boys is described and lingered on. Yes, really. One of the book’s minor villains tries to ban people from using fire. Yes, really. There are also the Sisters of the Dark, in an organization so similar to Jordan’s Aes Sedai that many, many people have accused Goodkind of outright copying. And, of course, they also practice sadism and rough sex. How horrible/monotone.

There is his hero too. Richard Rahl… If the narrative didn’t stop describing him as ruggedly handsome and having every other character in sight tell him, “You’re a special person, Richard,” then the series might actually have ended by now.

Goodkind’s main female character is Kahlan, Richard’s love interest. And I use that phrase quite advisedly. Kahlan seems to have her own separate position—as Mother Confessor, one of a number of women who can destroy other people’s minds and command them—and her own quest, on which Richard is a helper, at first. As the books pass, though, her concerns diminish, and she becomes almost obsessed with Richard. She can’t exist apart from him. Every book sees her convinced that he doesn’t love her and that, though she loves him, she has to send him away from her for his own good. Then they get back together again at the end of the book. Tell me, how is that feminist?

Hello misogyny. Goodkind’s other female characters often either fall in love with Richard, get tortured and raped and killed, or both. The series is notorious for its violence and gore, beyond what most fantasy series have. Hundreds and hundreds of women raped are nothing unusual for just one book, and the series now numbers eleven. Goodkind also includes anti-abortion diatribes for free. If you want to know how not to write strong female characters in fantasy, then you can consider Goodkind’s works a crash course.

Richard Rahl is worse then anyone concerning his character's abilities. He picks up abilities like magic, including stone-carving; he creates a statue that converts people from socialism to capitalism, despite no previous experience carving stone. (Goodkind has a Thing about proving that Socialism Is Evil). He kills every enemy he comes across. He manages to survive torture in a way that no one ever has, without having developed the technique to do so; it’s “instinctive.” Every book ends with an immense confrontation that “no one can win!”—except that Richard can, of course. His heritage allows him to protect everyone who’s sworn loyalty to him from the evil socialist emperor, who can otherwise control them. He makes friends with dragons and escapes from the clutches of evil sadomasochistic women, who then cower at his feet. He’s the beloved son of his adoptive father, the beloved grandson of the second most powerful wizard in the world, the beloved of the most powerful woman in the world, etc. It. Just. Never. Ends.

There has to be an ending. Characters like this are the reason I get so aggravated when authors insist on designing their people around their abilities, or making the protagonist the protagonist mainly because he has cool or unusual magic. When the magic destroys all hindrances, you have no stories left. And just as a lot of women on-stage doesn’t make those women strong or interesting characters, having your hero be the only one in the world who can do something doesn’t guarantee that the book will be worth the effort to turn the pages.

Goodkind has a world that was until recently subdivided into thirds by magical barriers: D’Hara, the Midlands, and Westland. (Imaginative at names Goodkind is not). There’s also the Old World, which is off to the southeast of D’Hara, kind of; it’s been a long time since I looked at the map in those books. It’s been a while since anyone traveled from the Old World to the Midlands, but only a single generation since the barriers went up between the three main lands.

Supposedly, everyone in Westland has never told their children anything about the Midlands or magic at all. Really. Honestly. All knowledge somehow lost in about twenty years.

Of course, this is also the country of the minor villain who wants to ban fire, so you might say, “What could you expect?” But no one remembers the Old World, either, despite the existence of a magical passage that some people from the Old World can use, and the existence of the evil socialist emperor who can invade people’s dreams. Goodkind just throws them in there haphazardly and as he needs them. New countries show up all the time. Millions of people show up all the time. Goodkind doesn’t develop cultures in conflict with each other, but as static entities to be destroyed or converted by the heroes.

This is a No-No. Your fantasy world needs reasonable demographics and geography. They may not be the same as Earth’s, they may run on different rules, they may not be as detailed as Tolkien’s, but they need to stay there, and if there’s every reason to suspect, as with Jordan, that the people have normal psychology and linguistic abilities, the language should fucking change like a normal language.

Neverending books. Goodkind will end the damn series and then keep with prequels and sequels.Richard and Kahlan just confront the next grand menace that no one’s ever confronted before and which is sure to tear them apart, survive it, and move on to the next grand confrontation that they won’t survive, except that they will, because you know there’s another book coming out.

Goodkind’s filler material is also description, but not of the landscape and clothing the way that Jordan’s is. It’s sadism, rape, torture of every description (the minor villain in the first book who likes to rape little boys is made to cut off his own testicles and eat them), more rape, killing, more rape, plague, more rape, murder, and more rape. Apparently, in the later books, Goodkind also spends much time ranting in a barely disguised Ayn Rand fashion about the evils of socialism, and his characters have long philosophical conversations instead of doing interesting things.


Wow, you must really hate the series, lol. To be fair though, the series started with a lot of potential, but just went gradually downhill from the first book. The later books being a full culmination of all the the annoyances you've highlighted above. A major error I think he made (which I don't think you mentioned above) is having Richard and Kahlan get together far too early. It reduced Kahlan's strength as a character and also meant he was constantly coming up with more bizzare and contrived ways to seperate them.

I thought it was quite telling that in the TV series, they managed to cover an entire book in a single episode (the one where Nicci kidnaps Richard) as their was no way they could do a whole series with all his forced philosphical and political ramblings.

On a side note, I refuse to give Wheel of Time a go. Everything I've heard suggests to me the books start well but are then dragged out forever. I decided this when my partner (who was obsessively into the series) had to stop after she finished one of them, thought about what actually happened and came to the conclusion "Not a lot!". Considering the sheer length of each book, I'm not sure it's a slog I can force myself through.



I mainly read fantasy/sci-fi, so books I've recently read that I think are worth mentioning:

A Song of Ice and Fire (series)- George R.R. Martin (An amazing series, can't recommend this one enough. Very dark fantasy series with some brilliant characters. HBO are doing a TV show of the series too)

The First law (trilogy)- Joe Abercrombe (Fantastic characters, each with their good and bad points, and all with their human side and a varying but delightfully evil one)

Dune- Frank Herbert (Classic sci-fi, don't think much more needs to be said)

The Malazan Book of the Fallen (series)- Steven Eriksson (Be prepared for a very long and difficult to read series of books though. Eriksson likes to shove you in the deep end early and forces you to grasp his other-worldly concepts. Rewarding if you can keep with it)

The Name of the Wind (Will eventually be a trilogy!)- Patrick Rothfuss (This book is so well written that he can describe normally boring events and make them seem special. I swear, this guy could write about someone taking a crap and make it interesting)

The Farseer, Liveship Traders and Tawny Man (trilogies)- Robin Hobb (Well written, interesting characters. Just a very good series of books)

The City and the Stars- Arthur C. Clarke (The only Arthur C. Clarke book I've read and I thoroughly enjoyed it. A good sci-fi novel)

Nineteen Eighty-Four- George Orwell (A classic must-read. Possibly more relevant today than ever before)

The Kite Runner- Khaled Hosseini (A highly emotional story of 2 boys raised together in pre-Soviet invaded Afghanistan, but who end up on very different paths)

Magician- Raymond E. Feist (A lot of books in his series about Pug the Magician, but I still think the first one is the best. read the revised version)

Wizard's First Rule- Terry Goodkind (OK, a lot of people in this thread have already stated everything wrong with the series, but the first book is probably still worth a gander if you like fantasy. Be prepared if you go further though, as he pushes his political and philosophical views on you, and rather obviously too)

 

I realised some of the books above are a bit hardcore or depressing, so for some lighter reading :P

The Black Magician (trilogy)- Trudi Canavan (An easy to read series of fantasy books. A bit slow in places and she's not the best writer, but a good series nonetheless)

Dark Materials (trilogy)- Phillip Pullman (Designed for teens, but still readable for the hardcore reader)




Scoobes said:

I mainly read fantasy/sci-fi, so books I've recently read that I think are worth mentioning:

A Song of Ice and Fire (series)- George R.R. Martin (An amazing series, can't recommend this one enough. Very dark fantasy series with some brilliant characters. HBO are doing a TV show of the series too)

The First law (trilogy)- Joe Abercrombe (Fantastic characters, each with their good and bad points, and all with their human side and a varying but delightfully evil one)

Dune- Frank Herbert (Classic sci-fi, don't think much more needs to be said)

The Malazan Book of the Fallen (series)- Steven Eriksson (Be prepared for a very long and difficult to read series of books though. Eriksson likes to shove you in the deep end early and forces you to grasp his other-worldly concepts. Rewarding if you can keep with it)

The Name of the Wind (Will eventually be a trilogy!)- Patrick Rothfuss (This book is so well written that he can describe normally boring events and make them seem special. I swear, this guy could write about someone taking a crap and make it interesting)

The Farseer, Liveship Traders and Tawny Man (trilogies)- Robin Hobb (Well written, interesting characters. Just a very good series of books)

The City and the Stars- Arthur C. Clarke (The only Arthur C. Clarke book I've read and I thoroughly enjoyed it. A good sci-fi novel)

Nineteen Eighty-Four- George Orwell (A classic must-read. Possibly more relevant today than ever before)

The Kite Runner- Khaled Hosseini (A highly emotional story of 2 boys raised together in pre-Soviet invaded Afghanistan, but who end up on very different paths)

Magician- Raymond E. Feist (A lot of books in his series about Pug the Magician, but I still think the first one is the best. read the revised version)

Wizard's First Rule- Terry Goodkind (OK, a lot of people in this thread have already stated everything wrong with the series, but the first book is probably still worth a gander if you like fantasy. Be prepared if you go further though, as he pushes his political and philosophical views on you, and rather obviously too)

 

I realised some of the books above are a bit hardcore or depressing, so for some lighter reading :P

The Black Magician (trilogy)- Trudi Canavan (An easy to read series of fantasy books. A bit slow in places and she's not the best writer, but a good series nonetheless)

Dark Materials (trilogy)- Phillip Pullman (Designed for teens, but still readable for the hardcore reader)

 

I was thinking of checking out A Song of Fire and Ice and The Kite Runner.  Heard nothing but great things about them.  I mainly read fantasy and science fiction as well but I am willing to delve into other genres as along as it is not romance.

I would recommend:

The Hunger Games(trilogy) by Suzanne Collins- very well written  and the characters are very well developed especially the main character, Katniss.  I would not call it light reading(despite being aimed at teens) mainly because the violence be quite brutal and it deals with mature subject matter.  There is a reason this series is popular with adults.  The third book, Mockingjay, comes out in August.

Incarceron by Catherine Fisher- well written and with a pretty intriguing fantasy setting, just be warned that the book starts a little slow since the male and female protagonists(Finn and Claudia, respectively) do not meet each other until over 1/4 of the way through the book (if I remember correctly)

Leviathan by Scott Westerfeld- very good book and with a unique twist in that the male protagonist wants to avoid war at all cost while the female protagonist is exciting about fighting in a war.  Just be warned that the concept is a little wierd.  It is an alternate history of World War I( not II) where Austria Hungary uses steam powered mechs and the British(or was it Germans?) use fabricated animals.  Not for someone who is a fan of historical accuracy.



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headshot91 said:

I really recommend Nial Ferguson's: Empire

Good look at how the British empire has helped the modern world. Very good.


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Riachu said:
Scoobes said:

I mainly read fantasy/sci-fi, so books I've recently read that I think are worth mentioning:

A Song of Ice and Fire (series)- George R.R. Martin (An amazing series, can't recommend this one enough. Very dark fantasy series with some brilliant characters. HBO are doing a TV show of the series too)

The First law (trilogy)- Joe Abercrombe (Fantastic characters, each with their good and bad points, and all with their human side and a varying but delightfully evil one)

Dune- Frank Herbert (Classic sci-fi, don't think much more needs to be said)

The Malazan Book of the Fallen (series)- Steven Eriksson (Be prepared for a very long and difficult to read series of books though. Eriksson likes to shove you in the deep end early and forces you to grasp his other-worldly concepts. Rewarding if you can keep with it)

The Name of the Wind (Will eventually be a trilogy!)- Patrick Rothfuss (This book is so well written that he can describe normally boring events and make them seem special. I swear, this guy could write about someone taking a crap and make it interesting)

The Farseer, Liveship Traders and Tawny Man (trilogies)- Robin Hobb (Well written, interesting characters. Just a very good series of books)

The City and the Stars- Arthur C. Clarke (The only Arthur C. Clarke book I've read and I thoroughly enjoyed it. A good sci-fi novel)

Nineteen Eighty-Four- George Orwell (A classic must-read. Possibly more relevant today than ever before)

The Kite Runner- Khaled Hosseini (A highly emotional story of 2 boys raised together in pre-Soviet invaded Afghanistan, but who end up on very different paths)

Magician- Raymond E. Feist (A lot of books in his series about Pug the Magician, but I still think the first one is the best. read the revised version)

Wizard's First Rule- Terry Goodkind (OK, a lot of people in this thread have already stated everything wrong with the series, but the first book is probably still worth a gander if you like fantasy. Be prepared if you go further though, as he pushes his political and philosophical views on you, and rather obviously too)

 

I realised some of the books above are a bit hardcore or depressing, so for some lighter reading :P

The Black Magician (trilogy)- Trudi Canavan (An easy to read series of fantasy books. A bit slow in places and she's not the best writer, but a good series nonetheless)

Dark Materials (trilogy)- Phillip Pullman (Designed for teens, but still readable for the hardcore reader)

 

I was thinking of checking out A Song of Fire and Ice and The Kite Runner.  Heard nothing but great things about them.  I mainly read fantasy and science fiction as well but I am willing to delve into other genres as along as it is not romance.

I would recommend:

The Hunger Games(trilogy) by Suzanne Collins- very well written  and the characters are very well developed especially the main character, Katniss.  I would not call it light reading(despite being aimed at teens) mainly because the violence be quite brutal and it deals with mature subject matter.  There is a reason this series is popular with adults.  The third book, Mockingjay, comes out in August.

Incarceron by Catherine Fisher- well written and with a pretty intriguing fantasy setting, just be warned that the book starts a little slow since the male and female protagonists(Finn and Claudia, respectively) do not meet each other until over 1/4 of the way through the book (if I remember correctly)

Leviathan by Scott Westerfeld- very good book and with a unique twist in that the male protagonist wants to avoid war at all cost while the female protagonist is exciting about fighting in a war.  Just be warned that the concept is a little wierd.  It is an alternate history of World War I( not II) where Austria Hungary uses steam powered mechs and the British(or was it Germans?) use fabricated animals.  Not for someone who is a fan of historical accuracy.

Definately get into A Song of Ice and Fire. It's really amazing, well written, very dark (everyone is a shade of grey, no good/bad), with some stand out moments. Kite Runner is very emotional, a brilliant read.

Never heard of the 3 you mentioned, so I'll be taking a look next time I'm in a book store. We seem to have similarish tastes so I look forward to reading them. Thanks for recommendations!



Scoobes said:
Riachu said:
Scoobes said:

I mainly read fantasy/sci-fi, so books I've recently read that I think are worth mentioning:

A Song of Ice and Fire (series)- George R.R. Martin (An amazing series, can't recommend this one enough. Very dark fantasy series with some brilliant characters. HBO are doing a TV show of the series too)

The First law (trilogy)- Joe Abercrombe (Fantastic characters, each with their good and bad points, and all with their human side and a varying but delightfully evil one)

Dune- Frank Herbert (Classic sci-fi, don't think much more needs to be said)

The Malazan Book of the Fallen (series)- Steven Eriksson (Be prepared for a very long and difficult to read series of books though. Eriksson likes to shove you in the deep end early and forces you to grasp his other-worldly concepts. Rewarding if you can keep with it)

The Name of the Wind (Will eventually be a trilogy!)- Patrick Rothfuss (This book is so well written that he can describe normally boring events and make them seem special. I swear, this guy could write about someone taking a crap and make it interesting)

The Farseer, Liveship Traders and Tawny Man (trilogies)- Robin Hobb (Well written, interesting characters. Just a very good series of books)

The City and the Stars- Arthur C. Clarke (The only Arthur C. Clarke book I've read and I thoroughly enjoyed it. A good sci-fi novel)

Nineteen Eighty-Four- George Orwell (A classic must-read. Possibly more relevant today than ever before)

The Kite Runner- Khaled Hosseini (A highly emotional story of 2 boys raised together in pre-Soviet invaded Afghanistan, but who end up on very different paths)

Magician- Raymond E. Feist (A lot of books in his series about Pug the Magician, but I still think the first one is the best. read the revised version)

Wizard's First Rule- Terry Goodkind (OK, a lot of people in this thread have already stated everything wrong with the series, but the first book is probably still worth a gander if you like fantasy. Be prepared if you go further though, as he pushes his political and philosophical views on you, and rather obviously too)

 

I realised some of the books above are a bit hardcore or depressing, so for some lighter reading :P

The Black Magician (trilogy)- Trudi Canavan (An easy to read series of fantasy books. A bit slow in places and she's not the best writer, but a good series nonetheless)

Dark Materials (trilogy)- Phillip Pullman (Designed for teens, but still readable for the hardcore reader)

 

I was thinking of checking out A Song of Fire and Ice and The Kite Runner.  Heard nothing but great things about them.  I mainly read fantasy and science fiction as well but I am willing to delve into other genres as along as it is not romance.

I would recommend:

The Hunger Games(trilogy) by Suzanne Collins- very well written  and the characters are very well developed especially the main character, Katniss.  I would not call it light reading(despite being aimed at teens) mainly because the violence be quite brutal and it deals with mature subject matter.  There is a reason this series is popular with adults.  The third book, Mockingjay, comes out in August.

Incarceron by Catherine Fisher- well written and with a pretty intriguing fantasy setting, just be warned that the book starts a little slow since the male and female protagonists(Finn and Claudia, respectively) do not meet each other until over 1/4 of the way through the book (if I remember correctly)

Leviathan by Scott Westerfeld- very good book and with a unique twist in that the male protagonist wants to avoid war at all cost while the female protagonist is exciting about fighting in a war.  Just be warned that the concept is a little wierd.  It is an alternate history of World War I( not II) where Austria Hungary uses steam powered mechs and the British(or was it Germans?) use fabricated animals.  Not for someone who is a fan of historical accuracy.

Definately get into A Song of Ice and Fire. It's really amazing, well written, very dark (everyone is a shade of grey, no good/bad), with some stand out moments. Kite Runner is very emotional, a brilliant read.

Never heard of the 3 you mentioned, so I'll be taking a look next time I'm in a book store. We seem to have similarish tastes so I look forward to reading them. Thanks for recommendations!

Trying looking in the YA section.  That's where you will most likely find those books.