This is so funny because today i was overhearing a discussion I was having with someone about the Bible, an atheist man (Joe) abruptly interrupted us (with a firm and skeptical tone of voice) asking, "Who wrote the Bible?"  Apparently the topic of God had aroused his curiosity (or hit a nerve!).  The answer to his pressing question was a quick and simple, "God wrote the Bible Joe."  That answer logically prompted him to his next pressing question, "Who is God?"  I tried to explain to him that Jesus Christ is God, that God is the Creator, that God keeps us breathing, and that God is beyond man's finite understanding.  The man asks again, "but who is God?"  I explain that God is God, and we see Him in creation and the Word of God.  Joe again asks, "but who wrote the Bible?"  God did Joe!  Joe repeats the question, "but Who is God?"  We go in circles.  In frustration I succumb to his paramount question: who is God?   Where does God come from?  Where is God?

To my surprise, the gentleman I had been speaking with (Dale, who's just been saved for a short time) speaks up and asks, "Who made that desk your sitting by Joe?"  Joe admits that he has no idea.  "But you can't deny that someone made it because it's in front of your face, right Joe?"  Joe is perplexed.  Dale proceeds to explain to Joe that just because we don't know "Who" God is doesn't mean that He doesn't exist.  God's creation is all around us, and we ourselves are God's creations as well.  Just as we may NOT know the name or history of the person who designed our home, crafted our watch or manufactured our automobile; we surely do NOT know as much about God as we wish we could all know.  But we DO know that these people exist, because of their works.  Likewise, God is revealed by His works of creation (Psalm 19:1-3).  The Bible has much to say about God, revealing His holiness and demand for justice, as well as His love and offer of forgiveness to humanity.  Jesus Christ is God's provision, the Lamb of God, Who shed His blood upon the cruel cross that we might be saved from the death and hell which our own wicked sins have brought upon us. 

Yes, Joe!, God is real, even though you may NOT know Who He is.  Who is God?  Apart from the Bible's teachings about God, I cannot tell you.  I can tell you that Jesus is God, but I cannot physically take you to Him.  I CAN tell you that God lives in my heart, but I cannot prove that to you apart from my changed life.  I can attest that history perfectly substantiates the Bible, but I cannot make you study history.  Not one archeologist has ever dug up so much as one spade full of dirt to disprove God's Word.  Scientifically, the Bible is accurate.  While the Bible was accurately declaring that the earth was round (Isaiah 40:22), people were being executed for teaching that the world was NOT flat.  I double-dog dare you Joe to disprove the Bible!  Joe replies, "Can you prove the Bible is true?"  Study history Joe!  When you study history, you are studying His-Story!  God's story!  There is NOT one PROOF of evolution, but archeology and science have produced an overwhelming amount of proof that the Bible is more than a mere religious document written by men.  The Bible is mysterious, supernatural and abundant in detail.  I challenge you to disprove it! 

What is proof?  Is there really any PROOF of anything?  You can show me a bunch of evidence, but it's my decision whether or not I want to accept it as evidence.  Based upon the SAME evidence, one person may see it as PROOF, whereas another would NOT.  What may be proof to me may not be proof to you.  I behold nature and see it as solid proof of God's existence, goodness and handiwork (Romans 1:20).  Einstein saw this as well.  Perhaps you don't see nature as evidence of God.  But the paramount question still remains, where did all this come from?  If it evolved from stardust, then why do we still live amongst single one-cell life forms (not politicians).  Why do humans have such high intelligence, but animals do not.  Why do humans have a conscience, guilt and morals which animals do not have?  Where did the moral conscience separate from the species?  The answers don't exist!  Humans are humans and animals are animals (1st Corinthians 15:39).  No wonder the Bible speaks of false science (1st Timothy 6:20).  Why false?  Simply because "science" means "to study."  There is NOTHING to study about evolution!  Evolution is NOT testable, repeatable or observable.  If evolution were true, there should be millions of proofs of it.  There is not even one!

Just as that desk, creation exists.  Just as that desk absolutely had to have a designer, so does creation.  There is a specific design in the universe.  The solar system is a perfectly balanced sphere.  Each of the planets exert gravity upon one another, the larger planets exert more gravity than the smaller.  They all rotate around the sun.  They all rotate in their own designated orbit.  Do you really foolishly believe that all this just happened?  If you do, you are not being reasonable.  Do you really believe that the human body just "evolved?"  Do you really believe that music just happened one day?  Do you really believe that all the religions in the world are just mass delirium?  Could it be that perhaps man's need for God is His proof?  Do you believe that love just happened?  Do you believe that sin evolved?  Where did this all come from? 

Who is God?  When Moses was asked by God to deliver the Israelites from bondage in Egypt, Moses didn't think the Israelites would listen to him.  Moses asks God what to say to the Israelites.  Here is what God said...

"And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." -Exodus 3:14

Who is God?  God IS!  God is God!  God says that His name is I AM.  I can only tell you friend that God IS!  I cannot speak of things which I do not understand.  No one can PROVE to you that God exists, you must look at the visible evidence for yourself.

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" -Romans 1:20

We are all without excuse friend if we do not acknowledge God.  We need to become thankful with a sincere heart of gratitude towards God.  Don't be the fool like Joe who believes that the desk just fell out of the sky from nowhere.  Dale is right, someone made that desk.  You don't know his name, but you know the builder exists.  Likewise, I see creation.  I know it didn't just blowup into existence.  Someone designed and made creation..  The ONLY logical answer is God!

Bruce

This is so funny because today i was overhearing a discussion I was having with someone about the Bible, an atheist man (Joe) abruptly interrupted us (with a firm and skeptical tone of voice) asking, "Who wrote the Bible?"  Apparently the topic of God had aroused his curiosity (or hit a nerve!).  The answer to his pressing question was a quick and simple, "God wrote the Bible Joe."  That answer logically prompted him to his next pressing question, "Who is God?"  I tried to explain to him that Jesus Christ is God, that God is the Creator, that God keeps us breathing, and that God is beyond man's finite understanding.  The man asks again, "but who is God?"  I explain that God is God, and we see Him in creation and the Word of God.  Joe again asks, "but who wrote the Bible?"  God did Joe!  Joe repeats the question, "but Who is God?"  We go in circles.  In frustration I succumb to his paramount question: who is God?   Where does God come from?  Where is God?

To my surprise, the gentleman I had been speaking with (Dale, who's just been saved for a short time) speaks up and asks, "Who made that desk your sitting by Joe?"  Joe admits that he has no idea.  "But you can't deny that someone made it because it's in front of your face, right Joe?"  Joe is perplexed.  Dale proceeds to explain to Joe that just because we don't know "Who" God is doesn't mean that He doesn't exist.  God's creation is all around us, and we ourselves are God's creations as well.  Just as we may NOT know the name or history of the person who designed our home, crafted our watch or manufactured our automobile; we surely do NOT know as much about God as we wish we could all know.  But we DO know that these people exist, because of their works.  Likewise, God is revealed by His works of creation (Psalm 19:1-3).  The Bible has much to say about God, revealing His holiness and demand for justice, as well as His love and offer of forgiveness to humanity.  Jesus Christ is God's provision, the Lamb of God, Who shed His blood upon the cruel cross that we might be saved from the death and hell which our own wicked sins have brought upon us. 

Yes, Joe!, God is real, even though you may NOT know Who He is.  Who is God?  Apart from the Bible's teachings about God, I cannot tell you.  I can tell you that Jesus is God, but I cannot physically take you to Him.  I CAN tell you that God lives in my heart, but I cannot prove that to you apart from my changed life.  I can attest that history perfectly substantiates the Bible, but I cannot make you study history.  Not one archeologist has ever dug up so much as one spade full of dirt to disprove God's Word.  Scientifically, the Bible is accurate.  While the Bible was accurately declaring that the earth was round (Isaiah 40:22), people were being executed for teaching that the world was NOT flat.  I double-dog dare you Joe to disprove the Bible!  Joe replies, "Can you prove the Bible is true?"  Study history Joe!  When you study history, you are studying His-Story!  God's story!  There is NOT one PROOF of evolution, but archeology and science have produced an overwhelming amount of proof that the Bible is more than a mere religious document written by men.  The Bible is mysterious, supernatural and abundant in detail.  I challenge you to disprove it! 

What is proof?  Is there really any PROOF of anything?  You can show me a bunch of evidence, but it's my decision whether or not I want to accept it as evidence.  Based upon the SAME evidence, one person may see it as PROOF, whereas another would NOT.  What may be proof to me may not be proof to you.  I behold nature and see it as solid proof of God's existence, goodness and handiwork (Romans 1:20).  Einstein saw this as well.  Perhaps you don't see nature as evidence of God.  But the paramount question still remains, where did all this come from?  If it evolved from stardust, then why do we still live amongst single one-cell life forms (not politicians).  Why do humans have such high intelligence, but animals do not.  Why do humans have a conscience, guilt and morals which animals do not have?  Where did the moral conscience separate from the species?  The answers don't exist!  Humans are humans and animals are animals (1st Corinthians 15:39).  No wonder the Bible speaks of false science (1st Timothy 6:20).  Why false?  Simply because "science" means "to study."  There is NOTHING to study about evolution!  Evolution is NOT testable, repeatable or observable.  If evolution were true, there should be millions of proofs of it.  There is not even one!

Just as that desk, creation exists.  Just as that desk absolutely had to have a designer, so does creation.  There is a specific design in the universe.  The solar system is a perfectly balanced sphere.  Each of the planets exert gravity upon one another, the larger planets exert more gravity than the smaller.  They all rotate around the sun.  They all rotate in their own designated orbit.  Do you really foolishly believe that all this just happened?  If you do, you are not being reasonable.  Do you really believe that the human body just "evolved?"  Do you really believe that music just happened one day?  Do you really believe that all the religions in the world are just mass delirium?  Could it be that perhaps man's need for God is His proof?  Do you believe that love just happened?  Do you believe that sin evolved?  Where did this all come from? 

Who is God?  When Moses was asked by God to deliver the Israelites from bondage in Egypt, Moses didn't think the Israelites would listen to him.  Moses asks God what to say to the Israelites.  Here is what God said...

"And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." -Exodus 3:14

Who is God?  God IS!  God is God!  God says that His name is I AM.  I can only tell you friend that God IS!  I cannot speak of things which I do not understand.  No one can PROVE to you that God exists, you must look at the visible evidence for yourself.

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" -Romans 1:20

We are all without excuse friend if we do not acknowledge God.  We need to become thankful with a sincere heart of gratitude towards God.  Don't be the fool like Joe who believes that the desk just fell out of the sky from nowhere.  Dale is right, someone made that desk.  You don't know his name, but you know the builder exists.  Likewise, I see creation.  I know it didn't just blowup into existence.  Someone designed and made creation..  The ONLY logical answer is God!

Bruce

It doesn't matter what you think here, or even how much close to what you see evolution is to reality.  There is the issue of parential rights on what their kids are taught.  So long as you force kids of religious parents to subject their kids to public schools, you are going to have to want them either not taught evolution, or be able to be taught something that is compatible with their religious beliefs.  If you don't like this, then enable the parents to take their kids out of the school system.  This is about parential rights.  Their kids are not your kids, and you are to have no say in what they are to be taught. 

It is simple, enable them to get out of the system if they don't like evolution, then you don't need to worry about it.  And that is why it is politics.  Again, if you don't like it, you need to propose an alternative ethics system to one based on rights.  Good luck getting that past the body politic here.

Next up comes, "But but... test scores of America, yadda yadda yadda". 

I don't believe in Creationism, but i believe that as long as their ideas don't interfere with my way of living people can believe whatever they want to and i have no right to critizise them for their belief

The problem happens in school systems where parents are put in a situation where they trust to raise their kids the way they want.  People who aren't religions don't understand that faith IS reality for people, and God actually doing stuff isn't just some sort of passing fancy for people, the way that stamp collecting would be for some.  For some people, it is life.  And when you take school systems, then parents expect their kids to be able to be given support by science that God did it.  This is where the creationism in classrooms comes from.  On the other side, you have non-religious folks who think it is utterly daft that people would even question evolution being valid, and feel it would be HARMFUL for America unless kids are taught that.   It is critical that America keep up in math and sciences, so ALL kids MUST be taught evolution, or America is DOOMED.

Now, put these two sets of values together, and then you have a culture clash that is political.  And then there is the third reality where you can't put truth to a vote either.  2 2=4, period (by definition of math it is that).  2 2 doesn't equal Nintendo's Mario (unless Nintendo's Mario is said to be the same as 4).  People see all this and there are no easy answers, no matter how each side wants it to be.