While I’m probably on my own, I can’t help but feel that this is one of those situations where both parties are in the wrong; and taking a side on the issue is only (really) a demonstration of your own personal biases.
a quick Question
what the Difference between what Israel did and the Somali Pirates ?
| HappySqurriel said: While I’m probably on my own, I can’t help but feel that this is one of those situations where both parties are in the wrong; and taking a side on the issue is only (really) a demonstration of your own personal biases. |
I had the same feeling when I was reading
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| shio said: Israel deploys Subs with Nuclear Missiles in Persian Gulf Three German-built Israeli submarines equipped with nuclear cruise missiles are to be deployed in the Gulf near the Iranian coastline. The first has been sent in response to Israeli fears that ballistic missiles developed by Iran, Syria and Hezbollah, a political and military organisation in Lebanon, could hit sites in Israel, including air bases and missile launchers. Each of the submarines has a crew of 35 to 50, commanded by a colonel capable of launching a nuclear cruise missile. The submarines could be used if Iran continues its programme to produce a nuclear bomb. “The 1,500km range of the submarines’ cruise missiles can reach any target in Iran,” said a navy officer. Apparently responding to the Israeli activity, an Iranian admiral said: “Anyone who wishes to do an evil act in the Persian Gulf will receive a forceful response from us.” Binyamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, will emphasise the danger to Obama in Washington this week. Tel Aviv, Israel’s business and defence centre, remains the most threatened city in the world, said one expert. “There are more missiles per square foot targeting Tel Aviv than any other city,” he said. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article7140282.ece Good to know that they'd resort to nuclear weapons. |
While i'm not entirely certain that even Israel would be so bold, this is a fact we often overlook. Israel *has* nuclear weapons. I would certainly list Israel as more dangerous than Iran
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| MrBubbles said: i was just reading an AP article that was saying the two pistols the terror activists had were taken off the viciously attacked israeli commandos. its good that the israelis only boarded with paintball guns and pistols....had they brought their assault rifles many more people might have ended up being killed. its just too bad that these terror activists had been on this vessel rather than more peaceful activists and causing these deaths. |
What exactly have these people done that makes them terrorists in your mind? Was it the part where they tried to ship aid supplies through a blockade, the part where they attacked armed soldiers with baseball bats, or the part where they were shot to death?
Where's the terror?
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| alziron said: a quick Question what the Difference between what Israel did and the Somali Pirates ? |
Probably, the most obvious answer is "warning and choice" ...
I don’t think you’d find many Somali Pirates who would tell you to turn around or they would board your vessel. On top of that, I don’t think you’d find many Somali Pirates who would allow the people, their vessels and their belongings to return to international waters after it had been boarded regardless of whether the passengers and crew co-operated.
Don’t get me wrong, Israel is in the wrong but so are the passengers and crew. If either (or better yet both) approached this situation differently there would have been massively different results.
HappySqurriel said:
Probably, the most obvious answer is "warning and choice" ... I don’t think you’d find many Somali Pirates who would tell you to turn around or they would board your vessel. On top of that, I don’t think you’d find many Somali Pirates who would allow the people, their vessels and their belongings to return to international waters after it had been boarded regardless of whether the passengers and crew co-operated. Don’t get me wrong, Israel is in the wrong but so are the passengers and crew. If either (or better yet both) approached this situation differently there would have been massively different results. |
Agree. The problem is the onus is on the sovereign country to act responsibly. If you're a legitimate, national entity, you have to think before you act, because you're going to be held to higher standards than the civilians.
Kinda like the hippie shootings at Kent State. Certainly the hippies were behaving irresponsibly, but the National Guard failed to live up to the higher standard that they are supposed to, as representatives of the legitimate order.
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Tanstalas said:
Do you even read what others write? I bolded the part that badgenome said that I think you should re-read then read what you said again..
Unless I am misunderstanding his post it sounds like other countries with a similar birthrate have approximatly the same % of people at various ages... Badge, can you clarify? |
That's correct. According to the CIA World Factbook:
Palestinian Territories (#31 for fertility):
0-14 years: 38%
15-64 years: 58.3%
65 years and over: 3.6%
Madagascar (#29 for fertility):
0-14 years: 45%
15-64 years: 52%
65 years and over: 3%
Central African Republic (#30 for fertility)
0-14 years: 41.9%
15-64 years: 53.9%
65 years and over: 4.2%
Ivory Coast (#32 for fertility):
0–14 years: 40.6%
15–64 years: 56.6%
65 years and over: 2.8%
Senegal (#33 for fertility):
0-14 years: 40.8%
15-64 years: 56.1%
65 years and over: 3.1%
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