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superchunk said:
As a Muslim I am completely disgusted that this event even went this far. As any Muslim I fully respect the Prophet as I do any prophet. I would not name my pets Jesus, Moses, or Muhammad. However:

1. It is a toy. Not a real bear.
2. Its clear from the circumstances, she had no malicious motives. The MUSLIM kids chose the name. They really liked/loved the toy and probably named it Muhammad out of that same love.
3. This is more of a universal Islam issue where extreme view points have corrupted Islamic thought.

Christianity went through its dark ages and with help from Islamic Spain it had a Renaissance. Islam is now in its dark ages where extreme thoughts prevail logic. Hopefully, like Islamic Spain used education and teachings to assist the beginnings of the Renaissance, the Western world will do the same for Islam. Wars and support of the many dictators in the region will only keep this type of extreme ignorance burning.

 

A good example of a non-radical Islamic view.

In any case, I think it is somewhat ironic that this country very likely would have collapsed by now if not for the work of people like this woman. I wouldn't go so far as to say it makes them ingrates as they feel they are protecting something sacred, and you have to respect that at some level. But you would be hard pressed to convince me that they genuinely feel she was attempting to demean their faith.

At some point common sense enters the picture, or more specifically a sense of survival enters the picture.  And what I mean is that I think you will find less people willing to go to Sudan and volunteer because of this.  And had they given this woman 40 lashes I think you might have seen economic support start to wane a bit.  

And in that regard, I will say this.  The US may not have the right to interfere with the laws of other countries but it definitely has a right to determine where we send our humanitarian aid.  And making those choices based on the safety and wellbeing of our volunteers is about the best criteria you can use. 



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Sqrl said:
NJ5 said:
mesoteto said:
i dont know...i think if we had harsher punishments we would have tons less crime...its that simple

Studies say otherwise. It's not that simple.

 


Not saying your are wrong or lying but can you cite those studies please? I would very much like to read them.


This wikipedia section cites this study, but I'm sure there are all kinds of studies saying one thing or the other.

 



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maybe it's just me, but if I had a kid around that age and we just get back from church and he decides to name his favorite toy Jesus, I would be fine with it, because that shows more admiration and love than disrespect.



llewdebkram said:
mancandy said:
@Faxanadu

Was your question answered? I didn't read all the posts

Burning the American flag is not illegal. First Amendment rights.

Anyone here offended if their countries flag is burnt?

It's a piece of material with colour on it and means nothing to me.


i would check on that one again before doing so... 



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That's why you won't find me in Sudan.



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llewdebkram said:


I would hope if there was a plot against them it would be rather more sophisticated than naming a teddy bear Muhammad!

 Next, we plan on doing a comic strip with a teddy bear named muhummad :D



Sigh...this is why religion should have no involvement in law. Laws are supposed to possess, something that is extremely alien to religion.

I wish her the best.



nuckles87 said:
Sigh...this is why religion should have no involvement in law. Laws are supposed to possess, something that is extremely alien to religion.

I wish her the best.

Many of the laws created were based on ancient religious text. So what are laws supposed to possess that is alien from religion. Both religious law and civil law aim to protect people except civil law is meant to protect many more people. If that is what you meant, I don't see what is so alien about it.



 

Now some are calling for the death penalty for allowing her class to name a teddy bear Muhammad!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7121025.stm

Shoot UK teacher, say protesters

Thousands of people have marched in the Sudanese capital Khartoum to call for UK teacher Gillian Gibbons to be shot.

Mrs Gibbons, 54, from Liverpool, was jailed by a court on Thursday after children in her class named a teddy bear Muhammad.

She was sentenced to 15 days for insulting religion, and she will then be deported.

The Foreign Office was in contact with Sudan's government overnight and is due to repeat demands for her release.

'Kill her'

The marchers took to the streets after Friday prayers to denounce the sentence as too lenient.

The protesters gathered in Martyrs Square, outside the presidential palace in the capital, many of them carrying knives and sticks.

Marchers chanted "Shame, shame on the UK", "No tolerance - execution" and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad".

Hundreds of riot police were deployed but they did not break up the demonstration.

The Foreign Office said it was seeking to confirm reports of the protest.

'Strongest terms'

Prime Minister Gordon Brown has been in touch with Mrs Gibbons' family for a second time, speaking to a close relative of the teacher.

Foreign Secretary David Miliband has expressed "in the strongest terms" the UK's concern at her detention.

The Sudanese ambassador, Omer Siddig, was called back to the Foreign Office to explain the decision.

The Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams said he could not "see any justification" for the sentence, calling it an "absurdly disproportionate response" to a "minor cultural faux pas".

In September, Mrs Gibbons allowed her class of primary school pupils to name the teddy bear Muhammad as part of a study of animals and their habitats.

The court heard that she was arrested on Sunday after another member of staff at Unity High School complained to the Ministry of Education.



The death penalty is going over board. I can't support this. The Sudanese government should just let her go as it was a minor offence.