By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Gaming Discussion - Nintendo Owning Third Parties!

Lord N on 05 April 2007

 

Nintendo will have more third-party support this time around, but owning them? I doubt it.

There are a few of them that have chances to become million sellers, but they will be titles that are specifically designed for the Wii.

No matter how large the Wii's install base becomes, it won't ever see "the big stuff" like Metal Gear, Tekken, Devil May Cry, Rainbow Six, etc. The hardware isn't powerful enough and its online service is by far the least impressive of the three.

Ever since the N64, everyone has bought Nintendo's systems(handhelds included) for their first party titles and nothing else with multi-platform third-party titles selling more copies on other systems. That being said, it'll be interesting to see how third-party titles fair once Nintendo starts releasing more of its flagship titles like Super Smash Brothers Brawl, Paper Mario, Mario Galaxy, Mario Strikers Charged, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Starfox, etc. Third-party titles such as Rayman, Red Steel, Monkey Ball, would have probably been largely ignored had more of Nintendo's first-party titles been available at launch.

 

 



 

Consoles owned: Saturn, Dreamcast, PS1, PS2, PSP, DS, PS3

Around the Network
Erik Aston on 05 April 2007
nintendo_fanboy said:

@ erik: trauma center has not been released in europe yet.

 

 


Ah. Well, thats lame. Hopefully it doesn't need launch hype to do some good numbers out of the gate.



"[Our former customers] are unable to find software which they WANT to play."
"The way to solve this problem lies in how to communicate what kind of games [they CAN play]."

Satoru Iwata, Nintendo President. Only slightly paraphrased.

DigitalHero on 05 April 2007

Nintendo just recycles their franchises but still is able to keep people interested.  If this was any other company they would have been gone already.  Third Party games will be Nintendo's weakest point since most developers want to developer for more capable hardware. (Not trying to diss Nintendo) 



Systems I CURRENTLY Own: PLAYSTATION 3, Nintendo Wii, PC

 Call of Duty 4 - Rank: 54 General II - K/D Ratio: 2.50

 

 

mancandy on 05 April 2007
Hus said:
Louie said:
Hus said:

alot better then before.

to bad sales will be low while most of the games will be mediocre.

dev might cost half that of dev for 360... but 360 stuff can be ported to PS3 and PC and vice versa.

look at the best 3rd party games on all the systems....they sure as hell aint on the wii.

 


It doesn´t matter what you say 3rd parties don´t sell bad on Wii (don´t give me the Madden example please, Madden Wii has got longer legs than Madden PS3 and could catch up to it in abput 3 months).

 

Games won´t be mediocre why should they? Because the console is called Wii and you like Playstation more?

Do you realize 3rd parties give the Wii greater support now while the PS3 still sells mediocre? And do you really think if the Wii catches up to the 360 at the end of this year the 3rd parties will put all their good games on the PS3 and will overlook the possibility of making games for Wii with lower costs and higher sales? Don´t kid yourself and don´t try to prove yourself a fanboy...

 

 

@Topic: Yes Nintendo did a great job but they still have a long way to go. What they have to prove is that 3rd party games which are developed by the best teams of the publishers can really sell as good as 1st party titles do it. Let´s just hope the 3rd party games will sell if they are good.


 wii gamers are casual gamers or nin fan boys = low 3rd party sales.  No 3rd party will beat out Nin at making wii games, they will almost always be second rate.  Games will be mediocre becasue the console is weak.  So you wont see unreal 3, wii cant handle unreal engine 3!

3rd party devs have a choice... wii or PS3/360/PC

Wow...that's a pretty big generalization. That's what my roomie says about the Wii too, that it's for kids, while he's playing Madden or Tiger Woods on my Wii for 5 hours each day. Playing a game that many hours is no longer a casual undertaking.

3rd party devs have a choice... all platforms....EA, Konami, Capcom, Sega.

 



Wii Code 8761-5941-4718-0078 

robjoh on 05 April 2007
Hus said:

 wii gamers are casual gamers or nin fan boys = low 3rd party sales.  No 3rd party will beat out Nin at making wii games, they will almost always be second rate.  Games will be mediocre becasue the console is weak.  So you wont see unreal 3, wii cant handle unreal engine 3!

3rd party devs have a choice... wii or PS3/360/PC

 

If Wii 3rd party sales is bad than what is it for PS3? An exclusive game as RR7 has only sold 98500 copies meanwhile an exclusive game on Wii, Red Steel has sold 335k, and that is only one of the Wii exclusives that has sold more. Even a low budgett game as Trauma Center has sold more than RR7.

This stupid mantra, 3rd party doesn't sell on Wii, starts to get on my nerv. Because the simple fact that they do. Even the damn quick cash in seems to sell. Or what do you say about Rampage: Total Destruction, a quick GC port, selling 95500. Yes only 3k less than RR7. Which game do you think cost the most to do?

This games will be mediocre because Wii is week is also an opinion not a fact. You don't need Unreal 3 to do nice looking games, but of course you are a part of the Sony Defense (happy Ben?) Force and can't understand that.

Damn this post sounds so childish that I can't stand it myself, but honestly read the numbers and then state the truth or don't be a part of the discussion. The truth so far is that 3rd partys is anouncing new 3rd exclusivs for Wii not PS3. Might that be because of the good software sales on Wii? Or do you actuly think that 3rd parties would support Wii if their sales was bad?

To end the discussion let me post the same thing I have said before to you:

3rd party software on Wii (USA): 3 games above 300k, 3 games above 200k, 5 games above, 100k
3rd party software on PS3 (USA): 1 game above 300k, 1 game above 200k, 6 games above 100k
Or why not: Total software sales on PS3 (that is all publishers including Sony) = 2,684,750
3rd party software sales on Wii (only 3rd parties, no Nintendo) = 3,346,250.
Why should any 3rd party make games for PS3?
If you should have the discussion as above, mention xbox360 and PC because PS3 isn't selling anything at all.

EDIT: I don't belive you will answer this post Hus but it would be nice if you would do that, mayby explain why Wii is such a bad choice or something!



 

 

Buy it and pray to the gods of Sigs: Naznatips!

Around the Network
Erik Aston on 05 April 2007
DigitalHero said:
Nintendo just recycles their franchises but still is able to keep people interested.  If this was any other company they would have been gone already.  Third Party games will be Nintendo's weakest point since most developers want to developer for more capable hardware. (Not trying to diss Nintendo) 

First of all, Nintendo's highest selling games right now are largely from new franchises... Like, new this decade, with 2 or less games in the series so far, but already putting games across 7 million in sales... Wii-brand, Nintendogs, Animal Crossing, Brain Age...

Second, its publishers, not developers, who make the business decisions, and they don't care how "capable" the hardware is.



"[Our former customers] are unable to find software which they WANT to play."
"The way to solve this problem lies in how to communicate what kind of games [they CAN play]."

Satoru Iwata, Nintendo President. Only slightly paraphrased.

BenKenobi88 on 05 April 2007

robjoh, Hus tends not to answer posts that clearly pwn him.

For instance, now he'll probably rant about my post here instead of yours...giving him an exit out of your argument lol.



LEFT4DEAD411.COM
Bet with disolitude: Left4Dead will have a higher Metacritic rating than Project Origin, 3 months after the second game's release.  (hasn't been 3 months but it looks like I won :-p )

mancandy on 05 April 2007
robjoh said:
Hus said:

 wii gamers are casual gamers or nin fan boys = low 3rd party sales.  No 3rd party will beat out Nin at making wii games, they will almost always be second rate.  Games will be mediocre becasue the console is weak.  So you wont see unreal 3, wii cant handle unreal engine 3!

3rd party devs have a choice... wii or PS3/360/PC

This games will be mediocre because Wii is week is also an opinion not a fact. You don't need Unreal 3 to do nice looking games, but of course you are a part of the Sony Defence Force and can't understand that.

 


How do I get in this Sony Defense Force thingy? It sounds sooooo cool!!!!

 Do I have to purchase a PS3 to get in? If so, then...um...maybe later.

 

Edit: Changed it just for you Ben



Wii Code 8761-5941-4718-0078 

robjoh on 05 April 2007
BenKenobi88 said:
robjoh, Hus tends not to answer posts that clearly pwn him.

For instance, now he'll probably rant about my post here instead of yours...giving him an exit out of your argument lol.
So you mean that I shouldn't use facts or what? I could have done it worse I could have removed sonys resistance sales.Then we really could see how big difference we have, and I know that Hus wont answer my post, he didn't when I used the same number on him last time either.

 



 

 

Buy it and pray to the gods of Sigs: Naznatips!

BenKenobi88 on 05 April 2007

Sony DefenSe perhaps?

Sorry, I'm a spelling troll. 



LEFT4DEAD411.COM
Bet with disolitude: Left4Dead will have a higher Metacritic rating than Project Origin, 3 months after the second game's release.  (hasn't been 3 months but it looks like I won :-p )