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Jordahn said:
KungKras said:
Barozi said:
KungKras said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
support your developers and publishers. the retailers will get paid either way.

Developers that makes gams that people get tired of and sell are not worth supporting.

People get tired of all games, so I guess no developer is worth supporting right ?

I can give you a long list of games that I haven't grown tired of despite playing them a lot, and I can give you an even longer list with games that I don't wanna sell even though I don't play them anymore.

GOOOD FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

Good for me indeed, I like having replayable games.



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Jordahn said:
I support the gaming industry so 95% of the time I buy my games new. The other 5% are specific circumstantial situations. If you're a true gamer, you'd buy your games new, too. And if a game is too expensive new and you don't "have to" have it now, just wait for a price drop. So anyone's move (including SONY's) to push against used games is not an issue with me and shouldn't be for anyone else.

So you're saying, that only true gamers bend over to the game companies and puts up with their bullshit?

If game companies don't want used game sales, they should start making games that people want to keep. Usually the games you see on the used game shelf are games that rely only on wow-factor in the first playthrough. Sadly, most games are like that, but that's the devs fault, not customers.

Selling stuff used is present in ALL businesses. The gaming industry isn't entitled to escaping from that. They are just coming up with excuses to dissmiss the fact that their games are losing appeal.



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KungKras said:
Jordahn said:
KungKras said:
Barozi said:
KungKras said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
support your developers and publishers. the retailers will get paid either way.

Developers that makes gams that people get tired of and sell are not worth supporting.

People get tired of all games, so I guess no developer is worth supporting right ?

I can give you a long list of games that I haven't grown tired of despite playing them a lot, and I can give you an even longer list with games that I don't wanna sell even though I don't play them anymore.

GOOOD FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

Good for me indeed, I like having replayable games.

I currently have a library of over 300 games, but with that being said...

Marcus made a decent point.  You buy a game new from any developer/publishers so you support that developer/publishers including NINTENDO.  And then he called out your asinine response with another valid point according you YOUR logic.  And who are you to tell everyone which developers are worth and not worth supporting?  No one.  Just because Marcus made a valid point and it was not in favor of Nintendo doesn't mean you have to disagree.



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KungKras said:
Jordahn said:
I support the gaming industry so 95% of the time I buy my games new. The other 5% are specific circumstantial situations. If you're a true gamer, you'd buy your games new, too. And if a game is too expensive new and you don't "have to" have it now, just wait for a price drop. So anyone's move (including SONY's) to push against used games is not an issue with me and shouldn't be for anyone else.

So you're saying, that only true gamers bend over to the game companies and puts up with their bullshit?

If game companies don't want used game sales, they should start making games that people want to keep. Usually the games you see on the used game shelf are games that rely only on wow-factor in the first playthrough. Sadly, most games are like that, but that's the devs fault, not customers.

Selling stuff used is present in ALL businesses. The gaming industry isn't entitled to escaping from that. They are just coming up with excuses to dissmiss the fact that their games are losing appeal.

Didn't you just said...

"Developers that makes gams that people get tired of and sell are not worth supporting..."...?

Now, I think we can all agree that no publisher/developer is perfect.  And according to what I just quoted from you, we can conclude some companies are worth supporting.  And how do you support those companies.... BY BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS!!!  If you are truely so noble by not putting "up with their bullshit," then get out of gaming!  That solves that problem, and it helps solve the problem of making other gamers look bad.  And I never said anyone cannot buy or sell used games.  And you CANNOT tell me and the rest of the world which companies are worth supporting and which are not.  So any companies I support, I support them by buying new so they can continue making the games I think are worth supporting.  People should respect you for the companies you support so you should do the same for them.  



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So what if this causes renting and used games to collapse. The worst case scenario. People can't buy a discontinued product, people won't buy a game they aren't sure of, and people will just go to google and type "CoD40 download". And MP could die with this. People can easily go "**** why do I have to enter some BS code to play online. I'm not even bothering" How about people who throw out all the papers, when they open the games. Who does this help in the end?



This is going to become the thing of the future until all we have available is digital download. I like the idea of devs getting PAID for their work and not some 2 bit retailer reselling used games for $5 off the new price.

If anything this makes renting games more important. You can rent to test a game out and if you like enough and want to play online buy it new and support the developers.

I see nothing wrong with this.



Jordahn said:
KungKras said:
Jordahn said:
KungKras said:
Barozi said:
KungKras said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
support your developers and publishers. the retailers will get paid either way.

Developers that makes gams that people get tired of and sell are not worth supporting.

People get tired of all games, so I guess no developer is worth supporting right ?

I can give you a long list of games that I haven't grown tired of despite playing them a lot, and I can give you an even longer list with games that I don't wanna sell even though I don't play them anymore.

GOOOD FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

Good for me indeed, I like having replayable games.

I currently have a library of over 300 games, but with that being said...

Marcus made a decent point.  You buy a game new from any developer/publishers so you support that developer/publishers including NINTENDO.  And then he called out your asinine response with another valid point according you YOUR logic.  And who are you to tell everyone which developers are worth and not worth supporting?  No one.  Just because Marcus made a valid point and it was not in favor of Nintendo doesn't mean you have to disagree.

When was Nintendo mentioned? And what do they have to do with anything?

"People get tired of all games, so I guess no developer is worth supporting right ?"

That was the decent point, right? Listen, if a developer (Any developer) makes a game, and it is good people won't get tired of it, just look at how many times you see games like Halo 3 or NSMBWii or MGS4 in used game shelves? I almost never see those games in the used game shelves, but there are other games that keep reappearing more often on used game shelves. What if game developers made a serious study about wich games are resold and wich games are kept instead of just bitching about used game sales? That would actually be good for customers since they would realize that they would simply have to add elements that makes the games more replayable. But I guess customer satisfaction is of no value to game developers these days.

If developers don't want their games resold, they should make games that people want to keep. The developers that realize this are worth supporting IMO, the ones whose games you don't grow tired of.  Growing used game sales is a natural symptom of many people growing tired with their games, the games should change, not the custoumers or business model of selling games.



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Jordahn said:
KungKras said:
Jordahn said:
I support the gaming industry so 95% of the time I buy my games new. The other 5% are specific circumstantial situations. If you're a true gamer, you'd buy your games new, too. And if a game is too expensive new and you don't "have to" have it now, just wait for a price drop. So anyone's move (including SONY's) to push against used games is not an issue with me and shouldn't be for anyone else.

So you're saying, that only true gamers bend over to the game companies and puts up with their bullshit?

If game companies don't want used game sales, they should start making games that people want to keep. Usually the games you see on the used game shelf are games that rely only on wow-factor in the first playthrough. Sadly, most games are like that, but that's the devs fault, not customers.

Selling stuff used is present in ALL businesses. The gaming industry isn't entitled to escaping from that. They are just coming up with excuses to dissmiss the fact that their games are losing appeal.

Didn't you just said...

"Developers that makes gams that people get tired of and sell are not worth supporting..."...?

Now, I think we can all agree that no publisher/developer is perfect.  And according to what I just quoted from you, we can conclude some companies are worth supporting.  And how do you support those companies.... BY BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS!!!  If you are truely so noble by not putting "up with their bullshit," then get out of gaming!  That solves that problem, and it helps solve the problem of making other gamers look bad.  And I never said anyone cannot buy or sell used games.  And you CANNOT tell me and the rest of the world which companies are worth supporting and which are not.  So any companies I support, I support them by buying new so they can continue making the games I think are worth supporting.  People should respect you for the companies you support so you should do the same for them.  

If you buy a product, you expect to be its full owner, it's the same thing with all products. If you own something, you can sell it at any time, because it's yours and you can do whatever you want with things that you own. Game companies fighting used game sales don't want people to own what they have bought, they want to force people into keeping the game that they have bought even if it has no value to them. Don't you see anything wrong with that?

   I buy games that I am exited about new too, because I want them to be in perfect condition. Some other games that I have heard are too short to be worth the new price tag I buy used on Ebay (because gamestop offer horrrible deals for used games). Games that I have been excited about and ended up disliking, I can always sell, because they are mine and I should be allowed to, so that perhaps some other gamer that don't think the game is worth its price tag but still want to check it out can buy it. So far, I don't dislike any of my games enough to be wanting to sell it, but do you really think robbing people of that freedom is right? If I didn't own my games, I would quit gaming. I guess I'm not hardcore enough to support such practices.



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KungKras said:

   I buy games that I am exited about new too, because I want them to be in perfect condition. Some other games that I have heard are too short to be worth the new price tag I buy used on Ebay (because gamestop offer horrrible deals for used games). Games that I have been excited about and ended up disliking, I can always sell, because they are mine and I should be allowed to, so that perhaps some other gamer that don't think the game is worth its price tag but still want to check it out can buy it. So far, I don't dislike any of my games enough to be wanting to sell it, but do you really think robbing people of that freedom is right? If I didn't own my games, I would quit gaming. I guess I'm not hardcore enough to support such practices.

 

Unless of course you buy certain PC games, which you can't resell once you've activated the cd key. I know you're a huge Starcraft fan and don't see this as an issue, but if I buy Starcraft 2 and dislike it, I have zero recourse for getting my money back. I'll have my blizzard.net account or whatever and that's it. Same with anything on Steam. So why is it apparantly okay for PC games to do this while console games adhere to another standard?

Don't bring up Blizzard game quality because that's not the issue here. You said I should be able to sell games I don't like. There's a double standard I'm having trouble reconciling with you being a Blizzard/Starcraft fan and preaching for the resale of games.



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