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MARCUSDJACKSON on 19 May 2010
RolStoppable said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
RolStoppable said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

yes i have been living under a rock? so your saying sony hasn't been watching the change in innovatoin? if they weren't watching they wouldn't becoming out with these control's. i don't think natal has anything to do with nintendo's innovation. Natal eyetoy fits better. but even as a PS3 fan i can say natal might be better then eyetoy. and as a nintendo fan i can say they can't beat 1:1 tracking.

The point of the post you were originally responding to was that Sony doesn't have the advantage of these motion controls being new. The Wii wowed gamers, Move can't and won't have the same effect. It's coming four years too late for that (not three like originally stated).

thanks for clarifying. it seems like we found commen ground. agreed. what hppend to the mario statment?

P.S. am i giving up to soon?

The Mario statement was deleted by the previous poster because he only responded to the other part of your post, it wasn't relevant to his own post.

I can offer you a response though, if that is what you want. Mario did help Nintendo last generation, but obviously not in the meaning of domination, but rather survival. Sunshine and Mario Kart sold more than 6m copies each and some other Mario spinoff titles crossed the million mark as well. The selling power of Mario shouldn't be underestimated. The real difference when it comes to Mario between the Gamecube and the Wii generations is that Nintendo this time continued the main line of the franchise. When looking at the sales, it's clear that 3D Mario platformers can't replace the 2D platformers. 2D Mario is like Halo and Gran Turismo combined and obviously neither Microsoft nor Sony have a franchise that big. New Super Mario Bros. Wii helped the Wii a lot (and still does).

I am not sure what you mean by giving up though. Regarding what?

rol? didn't know it was you but. both was where LoL moments.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 19 May 2010
forest-spirit said:
Only somewhat valid reason I can think of is that Sony at first claimed motion controls to be gimmicky, and then did a quickturn and made their own controller. But even that should be seen as a victory for those Nintendo fans who embraced it from the beginning. Unless motion controls was only cool as long as it was exclusive to Nintendo.

Otherwise it's mostly the usual fanboy talk. "It belongs to us", similar to the recent FFvXIII discussions. You also have fanboys using the "Copy card", something you can also see with Sony fanboys trying to bash Natal.

I believe most Nintendo fans (the ones that liked motion controls, that is) are atleast a bit interested in both Move and Natal, but I also believe that many are disappointed, atleast in Move, when you look at the upcoming games. Most of the games have already been done on the Wii.

The Move is a different take on Waggle/ Motion controls. Sony's offerings will be mostly to the same crowd they already offer the experience to. They will also give some light hearted games as well, but much the opposite of the Wii the light hearted games will take the back seat to the action titles the move will bring. Watch and see.



MARCUSDJACKSON on 19 May 2010
SuperAdrianK said:
Well, I get ticked off when people claim move's library is better than the wii's library... when Move hasnt even been released yet...


i thought you would be used to that. it's all over nearly everythread made?



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Smidlee on 19 May 2010

I still think  motion control is still a gimmick.This is not to say gimmicks can't sell as sometimes they do but as some have pointed out, most of the Big N titles  make little use of motion control.
The best part for me about Sony Move vs Wii-mote would be it could be a very useful mouse substitute; one that could be used on the couch. So far I haven't seen any example that Move will be used this way. It also seems like another gimmick. I've already played as much Wii Sport as I can stand so I don't care for a Move/Natal version.



MARCUSDJACKSON on 19 May 2010
RolStoppable said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

rol? didn't know it was you but. both was where LoL moments.

Could you translate this into English?


i was trying to be funny.



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Smidlee on 19 May 2010

As far as Move copying Wii-mote. The Sony Move is set up more like TrackIR (stationary camera) than the Wii-mote. The advantage Move has over TrackIR is TrackIR camera can only track one person while Sony found a way to track up to 4 players with one camera. Even the wii-mote can't do this. Using a stationary camera you can have better percision.



killeryoshis on 19 May 2010

I like the fact that sony is useing motion controls. It means motion controls are here to stay. Next generation everybody will have motion controls. Than the old world will die and the new world will be born. This is the 3rd time games expand and create new fans. Atari did it once and Nintendo did it twice.

Standered controllers will be a thing of the past and seen as the joysticks of today 10 years from now



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dtewi on 19 May 2010
axumblade said:
dtewi said:
Because it t3h copies Ninty.

OT:

Seriously, Sony is being the biggest hypocrite in the entire world and hypocrisy is pretty much one of the most annoying things ever.

They're a business. They talk big about themselves because they are a BUSINESS trying to convince the consumer they are worth their time. They take ideas and put their own spin on them because they have seen those ideas have been successful and hope they can make money off of it because...THEY'RE A BUSINESS.

I'm sorry but its really stupid to act like hypocrisy is the ultimate sin in the business world because almost every business that's successful has had to make adjustments to themselves that do not follow the companies original intentions. It's called adapting. Generally businesses that aren't willing to adapt their structure tend to die off relatively fast. If that weren't the case, we'd still be playing Nintendo console games on cartridges.

I don't care, that's the reason why people are finding it annoying even though every business does it.

Are you saying there's a better reason?



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Smidlee on 19 May 2010
dtewi said:
axumblade said:
dtewi said:
Because it t3h copies Ninty.

OT:

Seriously, Sony is being the biggest hypocrite in the entire world and hypocrisy is pretty much one of the most annoying things ever.

They're a business. They talk big about themselves because they are a BUSINESS trying to convince the consumer they are worth their time. They take ideas and put their own spin on them because they have seen those ideas have been successful and hope they can make money off of it because...THEY'RE A BUSINESS.

I'm sorry but its really stupid to act like hypocrisy is the ultimate sin in the business world because almost every business that's successful has had to make adjustments to themselves that do not follow the companies original intentions. It's called adapting. Generally businesses that aren't willing to adapt their structure tend to die off relatively fast. If that weren't the case, we'd still be playing Nintendo console games on cartridges.

I don't care, that's the reason why people are finding it annoying even though every business does it.

Are you saying there's a better reason?

I don't see how you can call Sony hypocrites since I have no doubt Sony actually did see motion controls as a gimmick. We know for a fact Sony did mess around with motion control during PS2 years. Sony had hope the "playstation" name itself would  overcome the expense of PS3. PS3 is Sony's best built console which had a top of the line Blu-ray unlike the average PS2 DVD player. Thus a hypocrite wouldn't put a lot of money into something they didn't think it would succeed.



dtewi on 19 May 2010
axumblade said:
dtewi said:
axumblade said:
dtewi said:
Because it t3h copies Ninty.

OT:

Seriously, Sony is being the biggest hypocrite in the entire world and hypocrisy is pretty much one of the most annoying things ever.

They're a business. They talk big about themselves because they are a BUSINESS trying to convince the consumer they are worth their time. They take ideas and put their own spin on them because they have seen those ideas have been successful and hope they can make money off of it because...THEY'RE A BUSINESS.

I'm sorry but its really stupid to act like hypocrisy is the ultimate sin in the business world because almost every business that's successful has had to make adjustments to themselves that do not follow the companies original intentions. It's called adapting. Generally businesses that aren't willing to adapt their structure tend to die off relatively fast. If that weren't the case, we'd still be playing Nintendo console games on cartridges.

I don't care, that's the reason why people are finding it annoying even though every business does it.

Are you saying there's a better reason?

I'm not saying that your reason is not the reason that most Nintendo fans are getting mad over the situation, but I am saying that it's pointless to get mad over such a common practice as copying your competition to get a few extra sales.

No it's not pointless, I still feel really annoyed if others need to copy just to advance, but just because every company does that doesn't mean it's OK.



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