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FF_Fanatic on 22 May 2010
Metallicube said:
FF_Fanatic said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
dirkd2323 said:
Its because they know PS move is a better product, it can do so much more, and its more accurate , and this is several developers talking, its on a HD console, now people will have the best of both worlds. and last Sony will take market share from Nintendo. They all want to talk there smack about copying Nintendo, Thats why PS move itself has been in development for 9 years, before Nintendo released the Wii, I won't even list all the things Nintendo and MS have copied from Sony, that is the game, someone developes a product, there is always someone looking to make it better just like Sony did, Just like all car makers do, Ford, then Chevrolet, Dodge, they all studied each others cars and Ideas and made them better and better. Some people and Fans just can't Deal. Its the way the world turns.

I played SOCOM 4, Move Party, The Shoot, Brunswick Pro Bowling, EyePet, and Sports Champions using the PlayStation Move at GDC this year.  I have yet to be convinced that it is a better product.  The Move's subchuck attachment doesn't have motion or tilt sensing in it, and the PS3 can't talk to 4 subchucks at once, so if you're playing a 4 player game, everybody can only use one controller instead of two.  The Wii solved those problems in 2006.  And if the Move has far superior tech, the games aren't showing it yet, though hopefully that will change in the future.  Their competition isn't the Wii remote; their competition is the Wii Motion+ and Wii Sports Resort.  Wii Sports Resort has already sold 15.4 million, making it the 20th best-selling game of all time.  For comparison, the best-selling PS3 game (Modern Warfare 2) has sold about half that, at 7.89 million. 

If the Move was actually in development for 9 years, then all the Sony PR quotes about how motion control is a stupid gimmick for senior citizens, and how Sony would never copy something stupid like that, IS THE REASON NINTENDO FANS ARE ANGRY.  That is their hypocricy right there.  They either hated motion controls for years, got owned by Nintendo, and changed their minds, or they were just lying for years while secretly developing the Move.  Either way, from a PR point of view, it looks really bad.  That's what people are mad about.  This is the same reason people were mad at Sony when they said "rumble is last gen technology, motion controls are the future" for their original SIXAXIS controller, when it was obvious that the only reason they didn't use rumble was because Immersion (the owners of the rumble tech) were suing them.  As soon as the lawsuit and its appeals were all over and settled, rumble was back in the new DualShock 3.  Sony PR was caught insulting rumble for no good reason, then they brought rumble back.  THEN, after calling motion the future, they called it a stupid gimmick for senior citizens.  THEN they announced the Move.  I'm sure that each time somebody at Sony insults a specific technology, somebody else at Sony is doing a facepalm because they're working on that exact product.  It just makes the company look bad and unorganized, like nobody at Sony knows what anybody else at Sony is doing.

 

And regarding the potential success of the Move:

For years we've known that in the future everybody would have motion controls.  Nintendo proved that taking away complex controllers and replacing them with intuitive TV-remote-esque controllers that anybody would already know how to use can expand your userbase tenfold.  But Nintendo's been advertising this for 4 years, and Sony and Microsoft have been talking about it for just about a year, and they don't have their products on the market yet.  They won't be stealing the Wii's thunder anytime soon.  The Wii has too much momentum in the areas of expanded audience and innovative/intuitive controls, and the PS3 and 360 have too much momentum in the hardcore/"mature"/HD/gritty-realism direction.  You can't just change what your company and your console are about overnight.  Nintendo spent years building the Wii into what it is today, and the PS3 has been fighting that same concept for years.  It might be great tech, and it might even get some amazing games at some point (although none of the launch games have the same wow factor that Wii Sports had in 2006 IMHO), but it won't be a giant paradigm shift that steals the Wii's thunder.  Wii Sports already did that exact paradigm shift, stealing the PS3's thunder.  You can't just... take it back.

ok but i think you based this desicion on the fact that you are mad, i know that all ps move games require for you to be precise and not just wrist flick your way through the game, this is an improvement, and yes wii has it's wm+ games, but not many of them, and most wii games also have tacked on controls, from my opinion ps move is better, now please take your hate elsewhere

How do you know it's better? Have you tried it? From most accounts I have read, PS Move actually has some issues and is not as responsive as the Wiimote. Which is inexcusable IMO.

If you're going to immitate a technology that is 4 years old now, you'd better make damn well sure that it not only matches its quality, but exceeds it. Sony does not seem to be doing this.

At least Natal is trying something new, while Sony is just jumping on the 4 year old bandwagon, and in a seemingly half assed manner.

that is rubbish all reports have all said ps move is more accurate, and the only bad thing about it is the familiarity and the very small lag which no one will notice (22 ms lag), but they all said it was an improvment on the wiimote.

please don't bring natal in here it is just a copy of eyetoy with better abilities, so no it is not doing anything new, just impoving on the original eyetoy



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mai on 22 May 2010

FF_Fanatic said:

please don't bring natal in here it is just a copy of eyetoy with better abilities, so no it is not doing anything new, just impoving on the original eyetoy

The same applies to PSmove compared to Wiimote.



FF_Fanatic on 22 May 2010
mai said:

FF_Fanatic said:

please don't bring natal in here it is just a copy of eyetoy with better abilities, so no it is not doing anything new, just impoving on the original eyetoy

The same applies to PSmove compared to Wiimote.

i said that due to his hypocrisy:):) natal is a copy of eyetoy, ps move uses a camera and is different to IR tracking and it has augmented reality, the only thing it copied was the look of the wiimote



mai on 22 May 2010
FF_Fanatic said:
mai said:

FF_Fanatic said:

please don't bring natal in here it is just a copy of eyetoy with better abilities, so no it is not doing anything new, just impoving on the original eyetoy

The same applies to PSmove compared to Wiimote.

i said that due to his hypocrisy:):) natal is a copy of eyetoy, ps move uses a camera and is different to IR tracking and it has augmented reality, the only thing it copied was the look of the wiimote

Gotcha. That's double standard Rol was talking about.



FF_Fanatic on 22 May 2010
mai said:
FF_Fanatic said:
mai said:

FF_Fanatic said:

please don't bring natal in here it is just a copy of eyetoy with better abilities, so no it is not doing anything new, just impoving on the original eyetoy

The same applies to PSmove compared to Wiimote.

i said that due to his hypocrisy:):) natal is a copy of eyetoy, ps move uses a camera and is different to IR tracking and it has augmented reality, the only thing it copied was the look of the wiimote

Gotcha. That's double standard Rol was talking about.

no what i said was true, but he is just as bad, don't worry, at least i admitted it copied the look of the wiimote controller, but the tech is different which is what i am saying, this is more than you will get from most fans:):)



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mai on 22 May 2010

FF_Fanatic said:

no what i said was true, but he is just as bad, don't worry, at least i admitted it copied the look of the wiimote controller, but the tech is different which is what i am saying, this is more than you will get from most fans:):)

I'm pretty sure a lot of folks around here will readily prove you that Natal tech is different from the one found in EyeToys as well (there were countless arguments on that matter). Add to that a completely different look of the device, so this makes it completely different from EyeToy, right?

More interesting question is... why does it matter? Tech and look? We yet to see how end results are different.



Lafiel on 22 May 2010
The Ghost of RubangB said:

If the Move was actually in development for 9 years, then all the Sony PR quotes about how motion control is a stupid gimmick for senior citizens, and how Sony would never copy something stupid like that, IS THE REASON NINTENDO FANS ARE ANGRY.  That is their hypocricy right there.  They either hated motion controls for years, got owned by Nintendo, and changed their minds, or they were just lying for years while secretly developing the Move.  Either way, from a PR point of view, it looks really bad.  That's what people are mad about.  This is the same reason people were mad at Sony when they said "rumble is last gen technology, motion controls are the future" for their original SIXAXIS controller, when it was obvious that the only reason they didn't use rumble was because Immersion (the owners of the rumble tech) were suing them.  As soon as the lawsuit and its appeals were all over and settled, rumble was back in the new DualShock 3.  Sony PR was caught insulting rumble for no good reason, then they brought rumble back.  THEN, after calling motion the future, they called it a stupid gimmick for senior citizens.  THEN they announced the Move.  I'm sure that each time somebody at Sony insults a specific technology, somebody else at Sony is doing a facepalm because they're working on that exact product.  It just makes the company look bad and unorganized, like nobody at Sony knows what anybody else at Sony is doing.

Yes, the Sony PR is bad and a lot of people in the PR department or with representative positions don't know what their own company is cooking, but are Nintendo fans really so offended (those few who are) by some words ("sticks and stones ..") or just searching hard for a reason to hate Sony and found an understandable one here ? Kaz said "we don't want gimmicks", but Sony presented Eye of Judgment and Sixaxis in the same conference.. I'm not sure who else attacked the motion controls, probably Peter Dille, David Reeves and Jack Tretton, but to me Sony isn't Kaz/Dille/Reeves/Tretton corp, although all of those are high ranking representatives, to me Sony (Computer Entertainment) is about it's games and services.

I'm not offended by Iwata's "customers don't want online games" or Yamauchi's "people who like to play RPGs are depressed gamers, who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games.", although I'm an avid online and rpg gamer, and won't quote them into peoples faces whenever Nintendo announces a game with online-mode or an rpg to show "TEH HIPOCRICY", because I know that PR talk should be forgotten the next day and to bear grudges because of it is immature.

You can have a good laugh at PR talk any time, but turning into rage mode because of it is unsightly and that's why I think it's not the _real_ reason for (some) Nintendo fans to be against the move.



Ghazi4 on 22 May 2010

cause their afraid to get owned (from my perspective :S lol)




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Alby_da_Wolf on 22 May 2010
Smidlee said:

Wii-mote camera works like a light gun and uses motion sensors for hand tracking.
Move uses the camera to track the hand  which works like a 3D mouse (the most famous hand tracking device).
If you like to aim your controller like a gun in FPS then Wii-mote has the clear advantage.
If you aim by tracking your hand then Move has the advantage.
If you like waving your hands in the air like an idiot then clearly Natal is for you.

 

ROTFL! This will make XPandas sad!

 



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The Xbox Man on 22 May 2010

I'm not sure, fear that 3rd party will go to PS3?