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ImJustBayuum on 21 May 2010

MOVE = WII MOTE

deciding factor = GAMES

WII MOTE wins

Why some Nintendo fans are angry is beyond me, T3H MOVE is likely going to fail disastrously



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Xoj on 21 May 2010
mysticwolf said:
Xoj said:
it's not like nintendo don't do it, get it over it's called competition it's good cuz you will get better prices.

nintendo jumped on CD based disc, ds dual analog/l2r2 buttoms.


The reason that the Gamecube had smaller discs was that Nintendo wanted to decrease the threat of piracy.

actually the reason nintendo wanted to keep cartbridge was the same.

they went for discs because sony success with it third party on the playstation and lots tons of exclusives.



Zucas on 21 May 2010

Wooh quite the long thread. I'm sure a small sum of them are due to Move having quite a bit of likeliness to the Wii remote/nunchuck, but I'm assuming most of it is probably driven by more selfish or biased reasoning. I'm rather happy to see the market expanding this way as it opens new opportunities not only for gamers but developers to provide a much more diverse selection of games, which is something we need more of in the bigger budget games instead of just the indie gaming experiences.



oniyide on 21 May 2010

some guy said that MOVE will be competing with motion+, thats crap. Nintendo doesn even support that device, which is a damn shame. there moving on to some heart sensing thing, good luck with that, i'd rather get move. I'd rather get Natal, I dont even have a 360



finalrpgfantasy on 21 May 2010

perhaps is because move is like a rip-off of the wii controller.



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EncodedNybble on 21 May 2010

@The Ghost of RubangB

I played the majority of those games at GDC as well and while the games were definitely not that great and were early in development, I could tell that, TO ME, the move tech was much better than the Wiimote's.

For example, was playing the gladiator dual part of sports champsion ship. Took my move and did a little "doink" type overhead move (i.e. I moved the controller really slowly). The game did a little doink type motion and said "WEAK!". If I did that with the Wiimote on wii sports tennis, it didn't make much of a difference how hard I swung my raquet.

To me, that is the big difference.

I think the move and natal will bomb personally, but I think the move is better tech wise than the wiimote in terms of accuracy.



theRepublic on 22 May 2010
EncodedNybble said:
@The Ghost of RubangB

I played the majority of those games at GDC as well and while the games were definitely not that great and were early in development, I could tell that, TO ME, the move tech was much better than the Wiimote's.

For example, was playing the gladiator dual part of sports champsion ship. Took my move and did a little "doink" type overhead move (i.e. I moved the controller really slowly). The game did a little doink type motion and said "WEAK!". If I did that with the Wiimote on wii sports tennis, it didn't make much of a difference how hard I swung my raquet.

To me, that is the big difference.

I think the move and natal will bomb personally, but I think the move is better tech wise than the wiimote in terms of accuracy.

You would think that someone into video games enough to go to GDC would have some experience with Motion Plus.  I guess that isn't the case.



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FF_Fanatic on 22 May 2010
The Ghost of RubangB said:
dirkd2323 said:
Its because they know PS move is a better product, it can do so much more, and its more accurate , and this is several developers talking, its on a HD console, now people will have the best of both worlds. and last Sony will take market share from Nintendo. They all want to talk there smack about copying Nintendo, Thats why PS move itself has been in development for 9 years, before Nintendo released the Wii, I won't even list all the things Nintendo and MS have copied from Sony, that is the game, someone developes a product, there is always someone looking to make it better just like Sony did, Just like all car makers do, Ford, then Chevrolet, Dodge, they all studied each others cars and Ideas and made them better and better. Some people and Fans just can't Deal. Its the way the world turns.

I played SOCOM 4, Move Party, The Shoot, Brunswick Pro Bowling, EyePet, and Sports Champions using the PlayStation Move at GDC this year.  I have yet to be convinced that it is a better product.  The Move's subchuck attachment doesn't have motion or tilt sensing in it, and the PS3 can't talk to 4 subchucks at once, so if you're playing a 4 player game, everybody can only use one controller instead of two.  The Wii solved those problems in 2006.  And if the Move has far superior tech, the games aren't showing it yet, though hopefully that will change in the future.  Their competition isn't the Wii remote; their competition is the Wii Motion+ and Wii Sports Resort.  Wii Sports Resort has already sold 15.4 million, making it the 20th best-selling game of all time.  For comparison, the best-selling PS3 game (Modern Warfare 2) has sold about half that, at 7.89 million. 

If the Move was actually in development for 9 years, then all the Sony PR quotes about how motion control is a stupid gimmick for senior citizens, and how Sony would never copy something stupid like that, IS THE REASON NINTENDO FANS ARE ANGRY.  That is their hypocricy right there.  They either hated motion controls for years, got owned by Nintendo, and changed their minds, or they were just lying for years while secretly developing the Move.  Either way, from a PR point of view, it looks really bad.  That's what people are mad about.  This is the same reason people were mad at Sony when they said "rumble is last gen technology, motion controls are the future" for their original SIXAXIS controller, when it was obvious that the only reason they didn't use rumble was because Immersion (the owners of the rumble tech) were suing them.  As soon as the lawsuit and its appeals were all over and settled, rumble was back in the new DualShock 3.  Sony PR was caught insulting rumble for no good reason, then they brought rumble back.  THEN, after calling motion the future, they called it a stupid gimmick for senior citizens.  THEN they announced the Move.  I'm sure that each time somebody at Sony insults a specific technology, somebody else at Sony is doing a facepalm because they're working on that exact product.  It just makes the company look bad and unorganized, like nobody at Sony knows what anybody else at Sony is doing.

 

And regarding the potential success of the Move:

For years we've known that in the future everybody would have motion controls.  Nintendo proved that taking away complex controllers and replacing them with intuitive TV-remote-esque controllers that anybody would already know how to use can expand your userbase tenfold.  But Nintendo's been advertising this for 4 years, and Sony and Microsoft have been talking about it for just about a year, and they don't have their products on the market yet.  They won't be stealing the Wii's thunder anytime soon.  The Wii has too much momentum in the areas of expanded audience and innovative/intuitive controls, and the PS3 and 360 have too much momentum in the hardcore/"mature"/HD/gritty-realism direction.  You can't just change what your company and your console are about overnight.  Nintendo spent years building the Wii into what it is today, and the PS3 has been fighting that same concept for years.  It might be great tech, and it might even get some amazing games at some point (although none of the launch games have the same wow factor that Wii Sports had in 2006 IMHO), but it won't be a giant paradigm shift that steals the Wii's thunder.  Wii Sports already did that exact paradigm shift, stealing the PS3's thunder.  You can't just... take it back.

ok but i think you based this desicion on the fact that you are mad, i know that all ps move games require for you to be precise and not just wrist flick your way through the game, this is an improvement, and yes wii has it's wm+ games, but not many of them, and most wii games also have tacked on controls, from my opinion ps move is better, now please take your hate elsewhere



Metallicube on 22 May 2010

I absolutely cannot wait for E3 when MS and Sony get all bonerific for motion control and nobody cares, while Nintendo moves on to the next thing (3DS and Vitality sensor). Then if successful, you can pretty much bank on MS and Sony jumping out to copy those as well. Rinse and repeat :)



Metallicube on 22 May 2010
FF_Fanatic said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
dirkd2323 said:
Its because they know PS move is a better product, it can do so much more, and its more accurate , and this is several developers talking, its on a HD console, now people will have the best of both worlds. and last Sony will take market share from Nintendo. They all want to talk there smack about copying Nintendo, Thats why PS move itself has been in development for 9 years, before Nintendo released the Wii, I won't even list all the things Nintendo and MS have copied from Sony, that is the game, someone developes a product, there is always someone looking to make it better just like Sony did, Just like all car makers do, Ford, then Chevrolet, Dodge, they all studied each others cars and Ideas and made them better and better. Some people and Fans just can't Deal. Its the way the world turns.

I played SOCOM 4, Move Party, The Shoot, Brunswick Pro Bowling, EyePet, and Sports Champions using the PlayStation Move at GDC this year.  I have yet to be convinced that it is a better product.  The Move's subchuck attachment doesn't have motion or tilt sensing in it, and the PS3 can't talk to 4 subchucks at once, so if you're playing a 4 player game, everybody can only use one controller instead of two.  The Wii solved those problems in 2006.  And if the Move has far superior tech, the games aren't showing it yet, though hopefully that will change in the future.  Their competition isn't the Wii remote; their competition is the Wii Motion+ and Wii Sports Resort.  Wii Sports Resort has already sold 15.4 million, making it the 20th best-selling game of all time.  For comparison, the best-selling PS3 game (Modern Warfare 2) has sold about half that, at 7.89 million. 

If the Move was actually in development for 9 years, then all the Sony PR quotes about how motion control is a stupid gimmick for senior citizens, and how Sony would never copy something stupid like that, IS THE REASON NINTENDO FANS ARE ANGRY.  That is their hypocricy right there.  They either hated motion controls for years, got owned by Nintendo, and changed their minds, or they were just lying for years while secretly developing the Move.  Either way, from a PR point of view, it looks really bad.  That's what people are mad about.  This is the same reason people were mad at Sony when they said "rumble is last gen technology, motion controls are the future" for their original SIXAXIS controller, when it was obvious that the only reason they didn't use rumble was because Immersion (the owners of the rumble tech) were suing them.  As soon as the lawsuit and its appeals were all over and settled, rumble was back in the new DualShock 3.  Sony PR was caught insulting rumble for no good reason, then they brought rumble back.  THEN, after calling motion the future, they called it a stupid gimmick for senior citizens.  THEN they announced the Move.  I'm sure that each time somebody at Sony insults a specific technology, somebody else at Sony is doing a facepalm because they're working on that exact product.  It just makes the company look bad and unorganized, like nobody at Sony knows what anybody else at Sony is doing.

 

And regarding the potential success of the Move:

For years we've known that in the future everybody would have motion controls.  Nintendo proved that taking away complex controllers and replacing them with intuitive TV-remote-esque controllers that anybody would already know how to use can expand your userbase tenfold.  But Nintendo's been advertising this for 4 years, and Sony and Microsoft have been talking about it for just about a year, and they don't have their products on the market yet.  They won't be stealing the Wii's thunder anytime soon.  The Wii has too much momentum in the areas of expanded audience and innovative/intuitive controls, and the PS3 and 360 have too much momentum in the hardcore/"mature"/HD/gritty-realism direction.  You can't just change what your company and your console are about overnight.  Nintendo spent years building the Wii into what it is today, and the PS3 has been fighting that same concept for years.  It might be great tech, and it might even get some amazing games at some point (although none of the launch games have the same wow factor that Wii Sports had in 2006 IMHO), but it won't be a giant paradigm shift that steals the Wii's thunder.  Wii Sports already did that exact paradigm shift, stealing the PS3's thunder.  You can't just... take it back.

ok but i think you based this desicion on the fact that you are mad, i know that all ps move games require for you to be precise and not just wrist flick your way through the game, this is an improvement, and yes wii has it's wm+ games, but not many of them, and most wii games also have tacked on controls, from my opinion ps move is better, now please take your hate elsewhere

How do you know it's better? Have you tried it? From most accounts I have read, PS Move actually has some issues and is not as responsive as the Wiimote. Which is inexcusable IMO.

If you're going to immitate a technology that is 4 years old now, you'd better make damn well sure that it not only matches its quality, but exceeds it. Sony does not seem to be doing this.

At least Natal is trying something new, while Sony is just jumping on the 4 year old bandwagon, and in a seemingly half assed manner.