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Kantor said:
What do you expect Sony to do here?

Nintendo's made an incredibly successful product. Sony didn't think it would be successful, so they ridiculed it. Then, they ridiculed it out of fear, fear that their multitude of original IPs and HD graphics were getting beaten by motion control.

Then it DID take off, and naturally Sony (and Microsoft) wanted a piece of the motion control pie. The technology was there, but it had been left on the backburner. Nintendo convinced Sony that motion control was worth investing in, so they did, and they had to save SOME face, so they said that the Wiimote was casual and Move is a hardcore experience.

As for people saying the Wiimote was a gimmick and Move is Sony's gift to mankind, I have doubts about the existence of these people. I haven't encountered any. And if they do exist, just ignore them. There are...overly enthiusiastic fans on all sides.


I agree, graphics don't make the game fun; the gameplay makes the game fun. Graphics are just icing on top of the cake.



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mysticwolf said:
Nizut76 said:
mysticwolf said:

That is the answer to the question of the title of this thread

Sony wins they have a better hand model.


Both these controllers use motion control. The way the controllers feel does not make the game fun. The games themselves make the controller fun to use. Having a "better hand model" is an opinion, and one that does not make a significan't difference. In fact, the gameplay is exactly the same, whether Sony's controller had the Wii remote's "hand model" or whether it had it's current one.

Lol, hey man you totally misunderstood him.

What he meant by 'hand model' was the person posing with the controller. He was saying the hands holding Move looked better than those holding the Wiimote. It was a joke, he wasn't referring to the shape of the controllers themselves at all.



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mysticwolf said:
FF_Fanatic said:
Carl2291 said:
mysticwolf said:
Carl2291 said:
mysticwolf said:

That is the answer to the question of the title of this thread

So. Let me get this right. Some Nintendo fans are angry because...

Sony's remote is black, while the Wii's is white.

Sony's has a wireless sub-controller, the Wii's doesn't.

Sony's has a big coloured ball on the end, the Wii's doesn't.

Sony's uses a camera to work, the Wii's doesn't.

Sony's is more accurate than the Wii's.

Sony's cannot be tilted to be used like a traditional controller, the Wii's can.

OT:
I think it's more to do with the more hardcore Wii fanbase being worried of 3rd parties reaction to it. If it sells well enough, we could see 3rd parties show even less attention to the Wii. ESPECIALLY if Natal takes off too. I predict lots of butthurt talk after E3, if Natal is looking good...

Looks don't matter. It's the same thing, it just looks different.

Nintendo could've made the Nunchuck wireless if they wanted too, but they didn't.

Of course Move will be more accurate! Technology always gets better as time goes on.

If Nintendo wanted to make entirely new and more accurate controllers, they could. But instead of making customers buy entirely new controllers, they made Motion+

If looks don't matter than why did you post a pointless picture showing how the 2 controllers look?

ignore them they are all butt hurt because the wiimote is not as good as ps move, as it has augmented reality and it can also do some things that natal can do like body tracking, notice how no-one is attacking natal, it looks like ps move may well be more succesful then we all think and the ninty fans now that which is why they keep on attacking it.

not to mention it already has better games for it, even though wm+ has been around for a while and all they got was wii sports resort that was worth getting i mean all that for a £40 add on i would be pissed off as well, which is why i did not bother with wm+ and will just get ps move instead

Excuse me, but I'm pretty sure Sony hasn't released Move yet, so who are you to say that Move is better than the Wii? Yes, you've seen commercials, interviews, etc..., but those things only show the positive aspects of the product. It's like an advertisement. You don't know everything you're getting until you actually get it. You can't say that Move is better than Wii because Move hasn't been released yet, you don't know how successful it's going to be, and you don't know how well it's going to work. Yes, the Wii seemed amazing, but it didn't live up to my full expectations, but that's because my expectations were raised by all the hype, the commercials, and everything else. But the Wii still is amazing, don't get me wrong, it's just that sometimes people think something "sucks" because they had their expectations too high.

 



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angry? *shrugs* meh I don't care to be honest. It was a matter of time. What makes me anrgy the hipocrite attitude not only from Sony but from the game journalists who attacked Nintendo and the "waggle fest" and now with move "is the future".



@mysticwolf I expected for me to do something and my damn character in the game to actually do it! When you buy a car do you expect it to start only half the time??? Is that really too much to ask??? take Wii sports, the boxing part half my punches dont even register. in tennis you cant even move the character. then they release the motion+ years later, which is MUCH more accurate. Y the hell did NINTY not do this from the jump??? Last time I listen to "casuals" who dont know what the hell there talking about. As for MOVE my expectations are low, BUT as long as its as accurate as motion+ im good. Sony is a tech. power house so im sure they could at least get that done



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mysticwolf said:
FF_Fanatic said:
Carl2291 said:
mysticwolf said:
Carl2291 said:
mysticwolf said:

That is the answer to the question of the title of this thread

So. Let me get this right. Some Nintendo fans are angry because...

Sony's remote is black, while the Wii's is white.

Sony's has a wireless sub-controller, the Wii's doesn't.

Sony's has a big coloured ball on the end, the Wii's doesn't.

Sony's uses a camera to work, the Wii's doesn't.

Sony's is more accurate than the Wii's.

Sony's cannot be tilted to be used like a traditional controller, the Wii's can.

OT:
I think it's more to do with the more hardcore Wii fanbase being worried of 3rd parties reaction to it. If it sells well enough, we could see 3rd parties show even less attention to the Wii. ESPECIALLY if Natal takes off too. I predict lots of butthurt talk after E3, if Natal is looking good...

Looks don't matter. It's the same thing, it just looks different.

Nintendo could've made the Nunchuck wireless if they wanted too, but they didn't.

Of course Move will be more accurate! Technology always gets better as time goes on.

If Nintendo wanted to make entirely new and more accurate controllers, they could. But instead of making customers buy entirely new controllers, they made Motion+

If looks don't matter than why did you post a pointless picture showing how the 2 controllers look?

ignore them they are all butt hurt because the wiimote is not as good as ps move, as it has augmented reality and it can also do some things that natal can do like body tracking, notice how no-one is attacking natal, it looks like ps move may well be more succesful then we all think and the ninty fans now that which is why they keep on attacking it.

not to mention it already has better games for it, even though wm+ has been around for a while and all they got was wii sports resort that was worth getting i mean all that for a £40 add on i would be pissed off as well, which is why i did not bother with wm+ and will just get ps move instead

Excuse me, but I'm pretty sure Sony hasn't released Move yet, so who are you to say that Move is better than the Wii? Yes, you've seen commercials, interviews, etc..., but those things only show the positive aspects of the product. It's like an advertisement. You don't know everything you're getting until you actually get it. You can't say that Move is better than Wii because Move hasn't been released yet, you don't know how successful it's going to be, and you don't know how well it's going to work. Yes, the Wii seemed amazing, but it didn't live up to my full expectations, but that's because my expectations were raised by all the hype, the commercials, and everything else. But the Wii still is amazing, don't get me wrong, it's just that sometimes people think something "sucks" because they had their expectations too high.

you know what irritates me is the fact that none of the people hating on move have done thier research properly, i mean ps move copied wii games come on eye toy play sports came out on playstation eye, and video's exist of the ps move developers exploring the concept of using a wand dating back all the way to 2004 which was before wiimote even existed, which is why sony fans get mad on ninty fans for hating ps move, and if it's not going to be a big sucess (don't care for the big official thread) then how come this stupid thread has lasted for so long with lots of arguments from both sides.

trouble is i have seen lots of public showings of move and everyone always comes back positive from them saying it's like the wiimote(with wm+) but better and ps gives the better gfx as well, it's just so much more interesting sorry, also ps move has natal capabilities thanks to the camera, can wiimote do that - no so it's not a copy!!!



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You are absolutely right. Despite launching in 2006, the Wii wasn't even conceived of in 2004. In fact, the entire Wii project was just scrapped together at lunch the Tuesday before its unveiling at E3 '06.

Also, you can use periods within the body of a paragraph as well. Like I just did there.
-'But this is the internet, don't pick on my grammar.'
I'm really tired of that shit. Is it really that difficult to hit a button every once in a while? Or, -gasp!- hold down a second button to make a capital letter?
If you want your argument to be seen as coherent, rational, and thought-out, then present it in such a way.



RolStoppable said:
Porcupine_I said:
RolStoppable said:

That right there is the baffling thing. Despite Sony themselves clearly stating that they are going after the Wii market and their games supporting this statement, some Sony fans are still in denial.

No, I don't demand everyone to say that Sony is following Nintendo, I just want people to stop claiming that Sony isn't following Nintendo because that is not true at all. See the post above yours, that's what I am speaking of.

yes, you already made it clear what you want, but you should realize it is not going to happen, because for every reasonable fan there are at least a dozen unreasonable ones. i suppose you know that, but will it stop you from arguing?

but that aside, the problem is also in the details.

 "Sony follows Nintendo" is a very general statement that people might be able to agree on, but what does it mean to the individual? Does it mean Sony has seen the casual trend towards motion control and developed their own version, or does it mean, they just "blatantly" copied the wiimote? Both statements could be regard as "not true at all" it only depends on your point of view.

I stayed out of Move threads since quite some time now, precisely because I know that it's just going to be same thing all over again. Some people choose what they want to believe even if the evidence presented to them goes against this belief, like Sony's very own statements.

You were asking the question what would Nintendo fans make stop posting in every Move thread and I gave you an answer why Move even became such a bid deal despite a clear lack of interest for the Move's games from pretty much all sides. The main problem was and is not Sony making a product with games that look a lot like the Wii, it's the double standards that are thrown around by some Sony fans. On one hand they argue that Move is not a copy only to then go into a Natal thread and call it a copy of Sony's Eyetoy. Or how motion controls are good to have now, but previously weren't.

This problem isn't going to go anytime soon, if ever. It can be ignored, but that doesn't mean it will go away. And for that reason most Move threads are bound to degenerate into a "copy or not a copy" debate. Although that's only going to be a real problem for those people who actually want to discuss the Move's games which, judging by amount of posts of the official thread, aren't that many.

You say "some people choose what they want to believe", and right after that you state that there is "a clear lack of interest for the Move's games" which i find interesting, as someone else might choose to believe that "it is useless to discuss games or controllers that aren't released yet" or maybe "the threads are relatively short because some people know they would get banned for derailing them"

So many things to choose from.

But i agree with you, the problem won't go away anytime soon.

Your last sentence is interesting too though, because the way you worded it i could choose to believe that you are blaming the Nintendo fans to be the "problem" of the people who want to discuss the Move's games. Or what else could you mean?

 



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it's not like nintendo don't do it, get it over it's called competition it's good cuz you will get better prices.

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I'm a nintendo fan all the way, but i also love sony. Honestly i'm not mad about it, hope sony get's success with move. The only thing that's annoying is that companies can't come up with their own ideas to usually they always copy. But eh, that's just how the industry is sometimes you gotta copy to win.