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Final-Fan said:
mrstickball said:
I think that forced desegregation and racism can go in hand - simply because some may view it as the government offering preferences to a race. IMO, the best thing that can happen is that the government honor the commitment to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all races - by giving them an equal deal, and seeing how the people groups go from there, using their God-given traits and abilities to make their lives great.

If anything, affirmative action is a kind of re-segregation, because the core competency of it is that it mandates that certain races - white, black, hispanic, asian, indian, ect, have a specific value to the system, and must be regulated and controlled when it comes to hirings and aid.

Personally, I think its abhorrent to place a value on someone based on skin and not merit, yet it happens. When you do that for years, you'll build up resentment in the same way that segregation sought to ensure preferential treatments.

Which brings up an interesting problem. When latinos/hispanics and minorities become the majority in America, what does affirmative action do? Does it seek to pander to the white caucasian purebloods left in America? After all, they'd be the minority. Or does it get retired, proving that AA was a program ment to uplift the minorities, and the minorities of that time period alone?

Desegregation is offering preference ... in that they are treated equally?  I know racists are not generally known for the rationality of that belief, but that seems particularly nonsensical.  Unless you're taking the "paying attention to them and not me" tack...? 

I may have said it improperly. What I'm trying to say is that if you force such a thing from a top-down view (the government forcing the people), it may cause some resentments in some people, although the sum change is beneficial.

When whites are not demonstrably favored by a supposedly "neutral" environment, then I'm all in favor of ending it.  Before then, I suppose it depends on the cost/benefit of keeping the program. 

See, I don't believe there are any major places that do favor whites in any way. There may be times that due to their socioeconomic placement, they have an advantage, but its not simply because they are white. Rather its in the same way that Asian-Americans are overachievers.

 



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^ I will point to my recollection of something Kasz216 (I believe) said not too long ago about how in studies, when presented with images of multi-colored individuals, people will point out the white one as being smarter, more popular, etc. Even minorities tend to do this, from what I recall of what he said.

Kasz, am I remembering you correctly?



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I remember him, or someone else posting a study that said that. The case study was that young black girls were given barbie (or similar) dolls, and asked which ones they thought were prettier...They always chose the white woman.



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mrstickball said:
I remember him, or someone else posting a study that said that. The case study was that young black girls were given barbie (or similar) dolls, and asked which ones they thought were prettier...They always chose the white woman.

I've always said Mattel should make hotter black dolls. It is truly the issue of our day.



Final-Fan said:
^ I will point to my recollection of something Kasz216 (I believe) said not too long ago about how in studies, when presented with images of multi-colored individuals, people will point out the white one as being smarter, more popular, etc. Even minorities tend to do this, from what I recall of what he said.

Kasz, am I remembering you correctly?

That does indeed happen.



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wow. all this because of the tea party? how did this discusion start?



Because someone started saying that the Tea Party was racist.



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I won't support the Tea Party until they stop calling themselves the Tea Party. It just comes off as being really pretentious and yet somehow really stupid at the same time.

I also like where this thread has gone. It's a great read.



 

 

mrstickball said:
Because someone started saying that the Tea Party was racist.


well afew of them seem over the top. and push there ideology to some extreme points, but not racist. thtas just over the line. i'll never be a fan of them but i wouldn't go that far.



Kasz216 said:
CommonMan said:
I'm bored with the "tea party", I'd like to see some kind of a platform from. . . somebody. And no "I'm mad as hell!" is not a platform. Neither is "smaller government", it's a general concept, but these people just sound like they're just bitching in general. Ehh. . . well, if they get a few more republicans out of their seats, cool with me.

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2010/02/06/blue-print-of-a-tea-party-platform.aspx

 


Thanks Kasz, now will anyone go by something like this? Or will the majority of the tea-partiers just be resorbed into one of the big 2? Oh, and if people campaigned on a "I'm going to balance the budget, and here's how. . .!" platform, they'd have my bloody vote.