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nightsurge said:
joeorc said:
nightsurge said:
joeorc said:
nightsurge said:
WarmachineX said:
its 2 strikes and your out in the gaming biz. If sony does poorly with the next one they're gone. I also EXTREMELY doubt the ps3 will be around as long as the ps2 for 2 reasons: technology is way better than it was then so its easier to whip out a new one and second, the ps2 was extremely successful, the ps3 was a flop.

This.  I wouldn't call the PS3 a flop though, as it has sold more than any last place console so far.  I would merely say that the 10 year plan only applies if you have the leading console in sales.  It's the retailers that control the lifespan of the consoles.  If they can still sell tons of software without sacrificing shelf space, they'll do it.  This is why they keep the top console from the previous gen for a few years into the new generation, because it has the most software selling potential.

 

that's not true In my opinion at all. you would not have to be #1 to get support for 10 year's for a product.

the fact that the Company such as Sony does support their hardware over time even if the hardware in the market is not # 1.

anyway

"it's the demand for the system" that will keep it on the shelf.  If the system is still in high demand than it will still keep selling! the PS3 may be the last place system, but that demand for the playstation 3 has increased.

the other factor is it's not even at a Low price yet. even when the new system's get released, the demand for the PS3 would have to dry up to the point that the store's could no longer sell the system. in my opinion the PS3 is no way near trending to that point. Nor do i see it trending anywhere near that even in the next couple of year's.

Actually it is the retailers.  I'll go into more detail:

Retailers have space for only a certain amount of consoles, handhelds, and all their games.  When new hardware comes out, it usually takes over the space of the predecessor (maybe not the whole space right away, but after a year or so it completely takes over).  This is because there is not enough space to keep the old consoles and games along with the new ones.  Retailers tend to keep the top selling console from the previous gen in order to continue to maximize on software sales.  This is because the new consoles will not be selling as much software for the first year or 2 until the install base increases.

There is simply not enough shelf space to support keeping 2 or 3 more consoles at retail.  It doesn't matter how long Sony or MS or Nintendo pledge to support their consoles as the retailers are the ones that will decide and with the Wii being both the top seller and the top software seller, it is likely to be the only one kept on more than a year or 2 after the next generation starts.

even if they take shelf space the fact is if the consumer "damand's" more of the product store's will not put the product that's in demand less shelf space. what your trying to do is paint that the PS3 not being in first place has to be the #1 spot to get that demand for the stores to keep its shelf space viable. and that was exactly what was stated back in 2007 and 2008 that demand for the PS3 would further erode it's shelf space. which here we are at 2010 and the PS3 has just as much shelf space if not more now.

the demand for the PS3 has increased not slowed!

Do you think the demand for the PS3 is going to vastly shrink in the next couple of year's? when the PS3's price is yet to be at the sub $200.00 sales sku. we have no I dea how it would go in the next couple of year's, but for my guess I see no trend of the PS3's demand drying up where it would start to sell less and less software, not the way the 1st party and 2nd party have been putting out quality Game's for the PS3.

The consumer demands the Wii the most, therefore it is the one that the retailers will keep.  The demand for the others will slow down drastically after their successors release.  It doesn't matter about the rest.  The shelf space just won't allow for it and the retailers will decide to go with the newer consoles because the future software will be higher.  Again, only the Wii stands a chance at lasting more than a year or 2 after next gen starts.

10 year plan is just puffery.

Being first when next gen begins will without any doubt matter and the first of this gen will be the best treated when next gen starts. But having a big user base will matter too, if all three consoles will have user bases big enough and if SW houses will keep on supporting them, they all could continue to receive shelf space by retailers.

Even with the crisis, this gen will most probably be bigger than any previous one, Wii will most probably beat PS2 even having a smaller share and the third will most probably sell more than 2nd and 3st of last gen put together, so retailers could find profitable to still give them shelf space. Obviously Wii, if Nintendo doesn't decide to kill it as soon as Zii is released, will receive more space, most likely.



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NSS7 said:
Sony dont need PS4 because there is just no reason for them to make PS4. Not just Sony but the whole gaming industry. Sony had done so much to keep PS3 alive and gaining momentum over its competitor. Now its time for them to get some profit from PS3 (Sony just announced they finally turn PS3 per unit profit. Sony loss so much because they want gain marketshare and keep on same pace as X360. If they only think about ptofit and selling PS3 at $400+ and did not invest in new IP (like what Nintendo did to Gamecube) they will be profitable but Sony will be permanently lose all their fans and effect in long term.

If Sony keep PS3 price until mid next year i'm sure they will gain some profit. PS3 game also had higher attach rate lately thanks to blu ray for being unhackable. Also i dont see we need next gen console as HD games is still too expensive for game developer. The earliest i think is around 2015 . Graphic still can be improved and most PS3 games released not even use half of Blu Ray capacity. x360 always use multiple disc. PS Move and Natal still not released. 3D also supported by PS3 and X360. There is no reason for Sony or Microsoft to introduce next gen console this time. None of game developer will like it as it will boost production cost and might destroy the whole industry. Nintendo on other hand might upgrade Wii into Wii HD just to compete with PS3/X360.

i agreed with most of this. no new gen. you are right my friend. the cost of development has not gone down, and with what we expect from next gen consoles would even make GTA6 unprofitable!  so i actualy agreed with everything, but the second Paragraph realy stuck with me! we need top stop talking about the next gen and let the developers make evough money to support the next gen! cause a this; rate the only companies that will still be standing will be nintendo, activision, and EA.



Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
andremop said:

Gamecube profitted guys... it's not like it lost 7plus billions...

There's a possibility... but it's not probable. There'll be a PS4... just not with this name. It'll be Sony's Wii, a different name, a different image.

how does gamecube compare to PS3.wasn't gamecube profiting from start,it just wasn't succesfull but it was selling on profit.

 

PS3 has lost alot but it was for blu-ray and blu-ray will reward for the next 10 years with PS4 and other devices

 

Also PS4 won't be Sony's Wii,you think they developed blu-ray for that. People will again embrace the hardcore games just that PS3's price was so high that they had to go for the cheap WII. PS4 will be cheap so people wouldn't have to compromise

I don't think you understand why the wii sells. It sells because it's mainstream, like the PS2 and PS1 before it.

Yes it is mainstream but not just because of games but also because of price

 

PS3 could put out the same games but it was triple what average income people buy.

 

if PS1 and PS2 were mainstream then PS3 is too.Whats the difference?

 

Mainstrem just means adopted by wide number of people.If PS3 was $250 at launch no ways Wii would have been on top

I seriously doubt that. The wii is selling because of the games. The price made it acceptabel for the mainstream, but the games sold it. People buy consoles for the games.

The wii-series had the broadest appeal of any videogames. That's why the wii is selling. Even if the PS3 was the same in price, it wouldn't be in games' appeal.   

 

if Wii is selling because of games the why didn't N64 and GC.They had great Nintendo games.

 

You really think that a successor of PS2 the highest selling console with the momentum the PS brand had wouldn't have outsold Wii if they were the same price.

 

And you said PS2 and PS1 sold because they were mainstream,in what sense?PS3 is the same just that it was expensive.Then what do you mean by PS2 and PS1 being mainstream

 

People jsut got on the WII cause it was cheap and then other people followed them.

 

AND you were saying WII was mainstream like PS2 and PS1.PS1 and PS2 are totally different from WII but still they sold well



NSS7 said:
Sony dont need PS4 because there is just no reason for them to make PS4. Not just Sony but the whole gaming industry. Sony had done so much to keep PS3 alive and gaining momentum over its competitor. Now its time for them to get some profit from PS3 (Sony just announced they finally turn PS3 per unit profit. Sony loss so much because they want gain marketshare and keep on same pace as X360. If they only think about ptofit and selling PS3 at $400+ and did not invest in new IP (like what Nintendo did to Gamecube) they will be profitable but Sony will be permanently lose all their fans and effect in long term.

If Sony keep PS3 price until mid next year i'm sure they will gain some profit. PS3 game also had higher attach rate lately thanks to blu ray for being unhackable. Also i dont see we need next gen console as HD games is still too expensive for game developer. The earliest i think is around 2015 . Graphic still can be improved and most PS3 games released not even use half of Blu Ray capacity. x360 always use multiple disc. PS Move and Natal still not released. 3D also supported by PS3 and X360. There is no reason for Sony or Microsoft to introduce next gen console this time. None of game developer will like it as it will boost production cost and might destroy the whole industry. Nintendo on other hand might upgrade Wii into Wii HD just to compete with PS3/X360.

you just don't understand how the gaming industry works.You have to make new consoles every 5-6 years to keep the momentum,to introduce new things and to sell more consoles.

Why do you think Sony launched PS3 when PS2 was already selling and PS2 when PS1 was already selling?- So that people don't get bored of the thing and for the future of the business

 

PS3 current momentum will last just another 1-2 years then people will want new things.And if you think its all about profit it isn't.Sony lost so much but they know blu-ray sales and PS4 will bring the cash back.

"If Sony keep PS3 price until mid next year i'm sure they will gain some profit." -  thats not the only thing on their mind,if they lay back and 360 get ahead their plan of profiting with PS4 will also drown as PS brand will be damaged and people will buy xbox's next console.0

"earliest is around 2015 for new consoles" - have you gone bonkers,if they wait till 2015 then Wii 2 and XBOX NEXT will launch and grab the whole market share and PS brand will diminish.It is very hard to launch a new console when other consoles have launched 2-3 years ago.

 

most PS3 games fill start to fiLL Blu-ray by around 2011-2012.

 

PS MOVE and NATAL matter very less to when a new gen will be launch,they are just gimmicks to show that their systems can also do what WII can.

 

The 3D support provided by PS3 is just a little scratch and 360 can't do full HD 3D.

 

and if Nintendo upgraded from WII to WIIHD and SOny and MS don't then WII would have already won the next gen by continuing the momentum of WII and have no competion in the new gen by MS and Sony.



Solid_Snake4RD said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
andremop said:

Gamecube profitted guys... it's not like it lost 7plus billions...

There's a possibility... but it's not probable. There'll be a PS4... just not with this name. It'll be Sony's Wii, a different name, a different image.

how does gamecube compare to PS3.wasn't gamecube profiting from start,it just wasn't succesfull but it was selling on profit.

PS3 has lost alot but it was for blu-ray and blu-ray will reward for the next 10 years with PS4 and other devices

Also PS4 won't be Sony's Wii,you think they developed blu-ray for that. People will again embrace the hardcore games just that PS3's price was so high that they had to go for the cheap WII. PS4 will be cheap so people wouldn't have to compromise

I don't think you understand why the wii sells. It sells because it's mainstream, like the PS2 and PS1 before it.

Yes it is mainstream but not just because of games but also because of price

PS3 could put out the same games but it was triple what average income people buy.

if PS1 and PS2 were mainstream then PS3 is too.Whats the difference?

Mainstrem just means adopted by wide number of people.If PS3 was $250 at launch no ways Wii would have been on top

I seriously doubt that. The wii is selling because of the games. The price made it acceptabel for the mainstream, but the games sold it. People buy consoles for the games.

The wii-series had the broadest appeal of any videogames. That's why the wii is selling. Even if the PS3 was the same in price, it wouldn't be in games' appeal.   

if Wii is selling because of games the why didn't N64 and GC.They had great Nintendo games.

You really think that a successor of PS2 the highest selling console with the momentum the PS brand had wouldn't have outsold Wii if they were the same price.

And you said PS2 and PS1 sold because they were mainstream,in what sense?PS3 is the same just that it was expensive.Then what do you mean by PS2 and PS1 being mainstream

People jsut got on the WII cause it was cheap and then other people followed them.

AND you were saying WII was mainstream like PS2 and PS1.PS1 and PS2 are totally different from WII but still they sold well

Consoles sells because of games. That first. Price comes after that. The wii has the games which appeal the most. That's a fact. It's games can be played by anyone, which is key to it's (mainstream) succes.

The PS1 and PS2 are the same as the Wii. You (and most PS-fans) just don't want to see it. The biggest sign of mainstream succes is: shovelware. The console which appeals the most, gets all the shovelware. 

PS1: 95% shovelware.

PS2: 95% shovelware.

Wii: 95% shovelware.

The consoles with the most showelvare on it, is the most mainstream console. If not, it wouldn't have the shovelware.

The shovelware comes with the big succes. The wii - even with crappy 3rd party support - sells the most software. That's why it's mainstream, it can push the crap. Just like the PS2, and PS1 before it.



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Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
andremop said:

Gamecube profitted guys... it's not like it lost 7plus billions...

There's a possibility... but it's not probable. There'll be a PS4... just not with this name. It'll be Sony's Wii, a different name, a different image.

how does gamecube compare to PS3.wasn't gamecube profiting from start,it just wasn't succesfull but it was selling on profit.

PS3 has lost alot but it was for blu-ray and blu-ray will reward for the next 10 years with PS4 and other devices

Also PS4 won't be Sony's Wii,you think they developed blu-ray for that. People will again embrace the hardcore games just that PS3's price was so high that they had to go for the cheap WII. PS4 will be cheap so people wouldn't have to compromise

I don't think you understand why the wii sells. It sells because it's mainstream, like the PS2 and PS1 before it.

Yes it is mainstream but not just because of games but also because of price

PS3 could put out the same games but it was triple what average income people buy.

if PS1 and PS2 were mainstream then PS3 is too.Whats the difference?

Mainstrem just means adopted by wide number of people.If PS3 was $250 at launch no ways Wii would have been on top

I seriously doubt that. The wii is selling because of the games. The price made it acceptabel for the mainstream, but the games sold it. People buy consoles for the games.

The wii-series had the broadest appeal of any videogames. That's why the wii is selling. Even if the PS3 was the same in price, it wouldn't be in games' appeal.   

if Wii is selling because of games the why didn't N64 and GC.They had great Nintendo games.

You really think that a successor of PS2 the highest selling console with the momentum the PS brand had wouldn't have outsold Wii if they were the same price.

And you said PS2 and PS1 sold because they were mainstream,in what sense?PS3 is the same just that it was expensive.Then what do you mean by PS2 and PS1 being mainstream

People jsut got on the WII cause it was cheap and then other people followed them.

AND you were saying WII was mainstream like PS2 and PS1.PS1 and PS2 are totally different from WII but still they sold well

Consoles sells because of games. That first. Price comes after that. The wii has the games which appeal the most. That's a fact. It's games can be played by anyone, which is key to it's (mainstream) succes.

The PS1 and PS2 are the same as the Wii. You (and most PS-fans) just don't want to see it. The biggest sign of mainstream succes is: shovelware. The console which appeals the most, gets all the shovelware. 

PS1: 95% shovelware.

PS2: 95% shovelware.

Wii: 95% shovelware.

The consoles with the most showelvare on it, is the most mainstream console. If not, it wouldn't have the shovelware.

The shovelware comes with the big succes. The wii - even with crappy 3rd party support - sells the most software. That's why it's mainstream, it can push the crap. Just like the PS2, and PS1 before it.

rolf.......................PS1,PS2 got shovelware...hahahahahahahah

 

PS1,PS2 got the best games in their gen.GT,FF,MGS,RE,GOW,GTA,BULLY,etc.

They also got alot of mediocre games but that was because their market share was so high and everybody had it that devs didn't care about developing on other consoles.

 

Wii the best selling console of this gen only gets shovelware and not the FF,MGS,RE,GTA.PS1 and PS2 got both but WII is just a lost hop for devs cause their games don't sell

"Crappy third sell most software"- name one third party game which sold more than mw2,gta4,AC1 & 2,etc.Nowhere near the most

 

Wii is crappy at selling third party software,only nintendo and other casual games sell on it.

PS1 and PS1 didn't have shit like Wii fit,sports.And PS1 and PS2's main push was because of hardcore titles like FF7,FF10,GT games,GTA,MGS.

 

wtf are you talking abt?

 

Nintendo's name had been damaged with N64 and GC.Playstation brand was no.1 and everyone knew about it and if it were to release at $250 it would havve trounced wii



Solid_Snake4RD said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
andremop said:

Gamecube profitted guys... it's not like it lost 7plus billions...

There's a possibility... but it's not probable. There'll be a PS4... just not with this name. It'll be Sony's Wii, a different name, a different image.

how does gamecube compare to PS3.wasn't gamecube profiting from start,it just wasn't succesfull but it was selling on profit.

PS3 has lost alot but it was for blu-ray and blu-ray will reward for the next 10 years with PS4 and other devices

Also PS4 won't be Sony's Wii,you think they developed blu-ray for that. People will again embrace the hardcore games just that PS3's price was so high that they had to go for the cheap WII. PS4 will be cheap so people wouldn't have to compromise

I don't think you understand why the wii sells. It sells because it's mainstream, like the PS2 and PS1 before it.

Yes it is mainstream but not just because of games but also because of price

PS3 could put out the same games but it was triple what average income people buy.

if PS1 and PS2 were mainstream then PS3 is too.Whats the difference?

Mainstrem just means adopted by wide number of people.If PS3 was $250 at launch no ways Wii would have been on top

I seriously doubt that. The wii is selling because of the games. The price made it acceptabel for the mainstream, but the games sold it. People buy consoles for the games.

The wii-series had the broadest appeal of any videogames. That's why the wii is selling. Even if the PS3 was the same in price, it wouldn't be in games' appeal.   

if Wii is selling because of games the why didn't N64 and GC.They had great Nintendo games.

You really think that a successor of PS2 the highest selling console with the momentum the PS brand had wouldn't have outsold Wii if they were the same price.

And you said PS2 and PS1 sold because they were mainstream,in what sense?PS3 is the same just that it was expensive.Then what do you mean by PS2 and PS1 being mainstream

People jsut got on the WII cause it was cheap and then other people followed them.

AND you were saying WII was mainstream like PS2 and PS1.PS1 and PS2 are totally different from WII but still they sold well

Consoles sells because of games. That first. Price comes after that. The wii has the games which appeal the most. That's a fact. It's games can be played by anyone, which is key to it's (mainstream) succes.

The PS1 and PS2 are the same as the Wii. You (and most PS-fans) just don't want to see it. The biggest sign of mainstream succes is: shovelware. The console which appeals the most, gets all the shovelware. 

PS1: 95% shovelware.

PS2: 95% shovelware.

Wii: 95% shovelware.

The consoles with the most showelvare on it, is the most mainstream console. If not, it wouldn't have the shovelware.

The shovelware comes with the big succes. The wii - even with crappy 3rd party support - sells the most software. That's why it's mainstream, it can push the crap. Just like the PS2, and PS1 before it.

rolf.......................PS1,PS2 got shovelware...hahahahahahahah

 

PS1,PS2 got the best games in their gen.GT,FF,MGS,RE,GOW,GTA,BULLY,etc.

They also got alot of mediocre games but that was because their market share was so high and everybody had it that devs didn't care about developing on other consoles.

 

Wii the best selling console of this gen only gets shovelware and not the FF,MGS,RE,GTA.PS1 and PS2 got both but WII is just a lost hop for devs cause their games don't sell

"Crappy third sell most software"- name one third party game which sold more than mw2,gta4,AC1 & 2,etc.Nowhere near the most

 

Wii is crappy at selling third party software,only nintendo and other casual games sell on it.

PS1 and PS1 didn't have shit like Wii fit,sports.And PS1 and PS2's main push was because of hardcore titles like FF7,FF10,GT games,GTA,MGS.

 

wtf are you talking abt?

 

Nintendo's name had been damaged with N64 and GC.Playstation brand was no.1 and everyone knew about it and if it were to release at $250 it would havve trounced wii

I see if fell in the classic internet-trap. Waisting my time arguing with fanboys. I leave you with this: Move Party.

 



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Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
andremop said:

Gamecube profitted guys... it's not like it lost 7plus billions...

There's a possibility... but it's not probable. There'll be a PS4... just not with this name. It'll be Sony's Wii, a different name, a different image.

how does gamecube compare to PS3.wasn't gamecube profiting from start,it just wasn't succesfull but it was selling on profit.

PS3 has lost alot but it was for blu-ray and blu-ray will reward for the next 10 years with PS4 and other devices

Also PS4 won't be Sony's Wii,you think they developed blu-ray for that. People will again embrace the hardcore games just that PS3's price was so high that they had to go for the cheap WII. PS4 will be cheap so people wouldn't have to compromise

I don't think you understand why the wii sells. It sells because it's mainstream, like the PS2 and PS1 before it.

Yes it is mainstream but not just because of games but also because of price

PS3 could put out the same games but it was triple what average income people buy.

if PS1 and PS2 were mainstream then PS3 is too.Whats the difference?

Mainstrem just means adopted by wide number of people.If PS3 was $250 at launch no ways Wii would have been on top

I seriously doubt that. The wii is selling because of the games. The price made it acceptabel for the mainstream, but the games sold it. People buy consoles for the games.

The wii-series had the broadest appeal of any videogames. That's why the wii is selling. Even if the PS3 was the same in price, it wouldn't be in games' appeal.   

if Wii is selling because of games the why didn't N64 and GC.They had great Nintendo games.

You really think that a successor of PS2 the highest selling console with the momentum the PS brand had wouldn't have outsold Wii if they were the same price.

And you said PS2 and PS1 sold because they were mainstream,in what sense?PS3 is the same just that it was expensive.Then what do you mean by PS2 and PS1 being mainstream

People jsut got on the WII cause it was cheap and then other people followed them.

AND you were saying WII was mainstream like PS2 and PS1.PS1 and PS2 are totally different from WII but still they sold well

Consoles sells because of games. That first. Price comes after that. The wii has the games which appeal the most. That's a fact. It's games can be played by anyone, which is key to it's (mainstream) succes.

The PS1 and PS2 are the same as the Wii. You (and most PS-fans) just don't want to see it. The biggest sign of mainstream succes is: shovelware. The console which appeals the most, gets all the shovelware. 

PS1: 95% shovelware.

PS2: 95% shovelware.

Wii: 95% shovelware.

The consoles with the most showelvare on it, is the most mainstream console. If not, it wouldn't have the shovelware.

The shovelware comes with the big succes. The wii - even with crappy 3rd party support - sells the most software. That's why it's mainstream, it can push the crap. Just like the PS2, and PS1 before it.

rolf.......................PS1,PS2 got shovelware...hahahahahahahah

 

PS1,PS2 got the best games in their gen.GT,FF,MGS,RE,GOW,GTA,BULLY,etc.

They also got alot of mediocre games but that was because their market share was so high and everybody had it that devs didn't care about developing on other consoles.

 

Wii the best selling console of this gen only gets shovelware and not the FF,MGS,RE,GTA.PS1 and PS2 got both but WII is just a lost hop for devs cause their games don't sell

"Crappy third sell most software"- name one third party game which sold more than mw2,gta4,AC1 & 2,etc.Nowhere near the most

 

Wii is crappy at selling third party software,only nintendo and other casual games sell on it.

PS1 and PS1 didn't have shit like Wii fit,sports.And PS1 and PS2's main push was because of hardcore titles like FF7,FF10,GT games,GTA,MGS.

 

wtf are you talking abt?

 

Nintendo's name had been damaged with N64 and GC.Playstation brand was no.1 and everyone knew about it and if it were to release at $250 it would havve trounced wii

I see if fell in the classic internet-trap. Waisting my time arguing with fanboys. I leave you with this: Move Party.

 

wat does that mean?



GerOhMyGosh said:
The 10 year lifespan and the fact that they've been successful two times beforehand makes me believe that a PS4 will still happen. If Nintendo stopped at Gamecube,

To say Sony didn't stop after PS2 would make a lot more sense.  Though, still not too much sense :)



 

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Solid_Snake4RD said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:

I seriously doubt that. The wii is selling because of the games. The price made it acceptabel for the mainstream, but the games sold it. People buy consoles for the games.

The wii-series had the broadest appeal of any videogames. That's why the wii is selling. Even if the PS3 was the same in price, it wouldn't be in games' appeal.   

if Wii is selling because of games the why didn't N64 and GC.They had great Nintendo games.

You really think that a successor of PS2 the highest selling console with the momentum the PS brand had wouldn't have outsold Wii if they were the same price.

And you said PS2 and PS1 sold because they were mainstream,in what sense?PS3 is the same just that it was expensive.Then what do you mean by PS2 and PS1 being mainstream

People jsut got on the WII cause it was cheap and then other people followed them.

AND you were saying WII was mainstream like PS2 and PS1.PS1 and PS2 are totally different from WII but still they sold well

Consoles sells because of games. That first. Price comes after that. The wii has the games which appeal the most. That's a fact. It's games can be played by anyone, which is key to it's (mainstream) succes.

The PS1 and PS2 are the same as the Wii. You (and most PS-fans) just don't want to see it. The biggest sign of mainstream succes is: shovelware. The console which appeals the most, gets all the shovelware. 

PS1: 95% shovelware.

PS2: 95% shovelware.

Wii: 95% shovelware.

The consoles with the most showelvare on it, is the most mainstream console. If not, it wouldn't have the shovelware.

The shovelware comes with the big succes. The wii - even with crappy 3rd party support - sells the most software. That's why it's mainstream, it can push the crap. Just like the PS2, and PS1 before it.

rolf.......................PS1,PS2 got shovelware...hahahahahahahah

 

PS1,PS2 got the best games in their gen.GT,FF,MGS,RE,GOW,GTA,BULLY,etc.

They also got alot of mediocre games but that was because their market share was so high and everybody had it that devs didn't care about developing on other consoles.

 

Wii the best selling console of this gen only gets shovelware and not the FF,MGS,RE,GTA.PS1 and PS2 got both but WII is just a lost hop for devs cause their games don't sell

"Crappy third sell most software"- name one third party game which sold more than mw2,gta4,AC1 & 2,etc.Nowhere near the most

 

Wii is crappy at selling third party software,only nintendo and other casual games sell on it.

PS1 and PS1 didn't have shit like Wii fit,sports.And PS1 and PS2's main push was because of hardcore titles like FF7,FF10,GT games,GTA,MGS.

 

wtf are you talking abt?

 

Nintendo's name had been damaged with N64 and GC.Playstation brand was no.1 and everyone knew about it and if it were to release at $250 it would havve trounced wii

EDIT: In before "Big wall of text." You've been warned.

Despite Stefan's comment of arguing with a fanboy, I'm going to try to look at this from another angle, section by section.

The most successful console EVERY generation has a lot of shovelware; the PS1 and PS2 are not exempt. The shovelware trend can be traced back to the Atari 2600, so it wasn't a new phenominon born by Sony's success. Also I note that you can only seem to mention a few good series from the PS1/2 era, why is this? I can easily name a shovelware series for every "good" series you mention. (In my book, GTA is shovelware, but that's for a different discussion.) There were also good games on leaders prior to the PS1, and when this gen is over, people will look back and see some of the quality games on the Wii. By this time next gen, we won't be talking about the Wii's shovelware, it'll be forgotten about. Discussion will instead be about that gen's leader's shovelware, and I'm sure that some will "convienently" forget about the Wii's shovelware. As for those "mediocre" games, that's just another word for shovelware, seen through tinted glasses. They were made on the cheap, knowing that some would sell due to the sheer volume of the userbase. That's part of the definition of shovelware too...

Next, comes the best-selling 3rd party system. In total, this is the Wii. More 3rd party games sell on the Wii than on either HD system. And not mentioning a title to outsell those if anything only reinforces the desire to put games on the Wii- if, from the smaller number of games, most of those sales come from a few blockbusters, it means if my game doesn't explode, I'm hosed. Given how few games explode with sales, this is a stupid bet to take. (And yet some of the companies are still idiotic enough to try...) Whereas on the Wii, it's harder to get a breakout for sales, but with the sales better distributed, it's easier to profit. If I'm running a business, I want profit. And in this economy, I want dependable profit. It's like rolling a d100- on the Wii, rolling over 40 means profit, on a sliding scale. On the HD systems, I need to beat a 90 to profit, but the 100 pays out handsomely.

Okay, then we have the game existance. It's easy to explain why the Wii doesn't have those games- before the gen started, companies had to predict which system to develop for. The previous gens had seen things being a graphics race; they assumed it would continue, and the PS3 would ride on with its popularity and sell the most. But developing an HD game takes a lot of time. By the time it was clear they were wrong in which system would sell the most, they'd sunk too much money into the HD version to just drop it. A few companies have been switching course toward the Wii, but many others are now looking for excuses rather than admitting they were wrong in their initial system choice. (It seems an unwritten rule of businesses is never admit you made a mistake.) These excuses manifest in several different ways, games don't sell (despite direct proof otherwise), it's too weak (despite other games seeing ports made), not enough space (despite a disk holding the same as a 360 game), we can't market to it (because it actually requires something different to market), etc.

Continuing on games, you talk about not having "shit like Wii Fit, Sports." I could say that the Wii doesn't have "shit like MGS4, GTA4." That's opinional, what you (or in the latter, I) think of the games. The thing is, the Wii line ties in to how Nintendo markets. I think that saying the Wii sold solely on games doesn't paint the whole picture. Nintendo was after accessibility. The N64 and GC didn't sell as well because their accessibility was the same as the PS1 and 2. To a new gamer, there are a lot of buttons on an awkward controller. Enter Nintendo's strategy with the Wii- make the controller something familiar to people. Give people other ways of playing (ala Wii Fit). This, coupled with the easy to understand games, is what led Wii to being so popular with the new gamers- they knew what to do to get started playing. Nintendo strove to expand the market, and by using a mass-market price, did so. Sony's goal with the PS3 initially wasn't expansion. Sony kept pandering to their existing fanbase, ala games like MGS4 and GTA4. A preexisting fanbase that sticks around is more rabid for some games, hence why you can have the explosive sellers. But by not expanding, long-term, this leads to stagnation of the market. You can't look at just 1 or 2 generations for this, but several out. Had the Wii not come out, and nobody planned on expanding the market, we'd start to see implosion probably as soon as the PS4. But, without the expansion of the market, the price would be irrelevant. Yes, a $250 PS3 would still have been trounced by a $250 Wii, as all the new gamers would be looking at how much easier it is to get into.

Oh, and as for Stefan's last comment, that's also easy. Sony saw how accessible Wii Sports was, and how it helped to sell Wiis and the motion control. So they're attempting to copy it, a game that you yourself referred to as "shit." And their copy is Move Party. So, by definition, it should also be shit. Or will it suddenly not be shit just because it has the Sony name? Your answer to that question alone, will say a lot.



-dunno001

-On a quest for the truly perfect game; I don't think it exists...