| mrstickball said: So where is the current institutionalized racism in the US? @Farmland - I'm not trying to argue that any racism in the US is acceptable. I just don't think its fair to bash the US for racism when there isn't a country nearly as large as us with the amount of minorities in our country. |
I would have to guess he means Affirmitive Action... because it's MUCH less racist to pretend races don't exist and that racism doesn't exist even though there are 30%+ percentage point difference between races. (France.)
Europe isn't less racist. Just more willing to cover their eyes and pretend they are less racist.
Ah, very true. I was thinking of things that held minorities back, rather than giving them freebies.
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Kasz216 said:
I would have to guess he means Affirmitive Action... because it's MUCH less racist to pretend races don't exist and that racism doesn't exist even though there are 30%+ percentage point difference between races. (France.)
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Yes, I'm talking about Affirmitive Action, which is institutionalized racism. Benefits given to some people because just because of their race is pure racism (benefits to minorities too).
I have heard of people that systematically abuse it by saying their part of a minority, even though they're only like 25% black or latino. They don't give those benefits to the ones who probably deserve more, regardless of race.
The truth is, Affirmitive Action is racist, giving benefits to those who probably have not even been hurt by whatever the US government did dozens of years ago.
How fair is that a recently US-nationalized minority immigrant can get a job over a better-qualified, poor, white person?
How fair is that universities have to reject applications from white students, because they are forced to accept students from minorities (some of which under-qualified)?
How fair is that companies have to turn down employees for being white, in order to fill their minority quota imposed by the government?
Europe is definitely less racist than the US. Here's a thought, how about give the benefits to the better man, whichever the race? That seems to work here.
For the same reason I call myself "Swedish", or the people that march in Saint Patricks day parades call themselves "Irish", or hell, the same reason any of us call ourselves "Americans". He has as much right to call himself black as any of us have any right to any of those other things.
shio said:
Yes, I'm talking about Affirmitive Action, which is institutionalized racism. Benefits given to some people because just because of their race is pure racism (benefits to minorities too). I have heard of people that systematically abuse it by saying their part of a minority, even though they're only like 25% black or latino. They don't give those benefits to the ones who probably deserve more, regardless of race. The truth is, Affirmitive Action is racist, giving benefits to those who probably have not even been hurt by whatever the US government did dozens of years ago. How fair is that a recently US-nationalized minority immigrant can get a job over a better-qualified, poor, white person? How fair is that universities have to reject applications from white students, because they are forced to accept students from minorities (some of which under-qualified)? How fair is that companies have to turn down employees for being white, in order to fill their minority quota imposed by the government? Europe is definitely less racist than the US. Here's a thought, how about give the benefits to the better man, whichever the race? That seems to work here. |
Er... it DOESN'T work there... that's why many Europeon countries have HUGE wage gaps... additionally the US produces more value per work hour then any Europeon Country.
When you control for credentials, people from Africa get screwed. The best man DOESN'T get the job in France. MUCH more often. So no... it clearly DOESN'T work.
Lets look at some of theses Affirmitive Action laws...
Also, the vast majority of Affirmitive Action laws just mean "You can't discriminate in hiring." With actually someone keeping an eye on the people... you know, unlike Europe.
There are very few quota based things... and even then it's less about "affirmitive action" and more about benefits. It's actually shown in studies that having a racially and culturally diverse university creates a better learning enviroment for everybody.
Job "quotas" usually only deal with Police Forces and other similar jobs.... which is once again done for the benefit of the community. If your Police Force is roughly the same makeup as your community... the community is going to trust it a LOT more.
Being of a different race and culture actually has benefits in those areas.
Affirmitive Action ain't perfect... but it's a hell of a lot better then the Europeon "Oh racism doesn't exist, lets cover our eyes and pretend" attitude.
Also, you know... a big blow to the "American's are more Racist!" statement is that even as a "mixed race" person.
I wonder how many years it will take before an someone of African or Arab decent is President of France.
Or a Mayor even.
In fact... I don't believe there has ever been a minority head of state Europe. Benjamin Disraeli MIGHT count, but he claims heritiage from Italy.
America has a decent amount of prominent "minority" polticians people voted for... a number even Republicans.
| mrstickball said: I don't get why Europeans are trying to argue racism and hate in America. I'd argue that we are far less racist than Europeans, given the amount of cultures our country has. Most European countries have a very small ethnic minority, which would allow them to leave less impeded, whereas in the US, you have a significant number of minorities in black and hispanics, which would tend to cause far greater issues, yet we've largely dealt with them. Call me back when Europe has a country that has 30% of its citizens in a minority group. Until that happens, all arguments are pretty irrelevant...For the amount of minorities Europe has, there is a lot of strife. |
Well I'd also make that argument against northerners and westerners in the U.S. but I'm sure that is just the southerner coming out of me. But yea Europeans give the country a pretty bad rep... we're not that racist haha. Well at least not so much anymore. And given our diversity we don't have this constant issue of racist-nationalism although it does happen periodically.
It's an American thing. If you have one drop of black blood in you, then you're black.
It's the only way that I can explain it. Maybe it's because there was such a bad racism problem at one time, and anyone that was black at all was put into the same category.
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| Gamerace said: I just think it's disgraceful for the white community to effectively disown one of their own, especially someone they should be so proud of. This also goes for Tiger Woods, Halle Berry and many others. By calling them 'black' you're basically saying they are not a part of your heritage/race despite them having your bloodline. Tiger doesn't even consider himself black, since he's more Asian than white or black yet everyone calls him black. Yes, he's dark skinned, and 'black' is an easy way to identify but we need to seperate the colour of a persons skin from race, especially in this day and age when mixed children are so common. |
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