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libellule on 11 May 2010
Kasz216 said:
shio said:
libellule said:

- sorry to burst your bubble : most of the mixed people will be seen as black people, or will be attached to the black people group in europe TOO.

 

That is not true, imo. I don't even remember anyone calling a mixed person "black". And I also have been to France many times.

Where I currently live we have a huge black community and another gypsy community. It is irrelevant if a mixed guy hangs out more with people of  a certain race, they'll always be mixed.

libellule said:

the main difference between NA and Europe is that you have a lot less HATE between the group in Europe compared to NA.
This is du to the historical difference between Na and Europe :

NA : white and black living together in 1 territory : racisme +  segregation + slavery : big hate/injury/violence

Europe : mostly white people, very few black people, black community is more recent
(historically black are in the colonnial empire and they only recently come to Europe territory) 
: racisme but no segregation and no actual slavery in Europe territory : less hate

Yes, there's a lot less hate in Europe, which is also why there is less need for an individual to forcefully identify himself with a single race, in order to fit in.

That is soooooo wrong.  On so many different levels.

For one... the difference between White and Black employment in the UK = the difference between White and Black employment in the US.

OKI

Now when it comes to France's unemployment levels for different races... let's just say it's MUCH worse.  When you can find the numbers anyway.  Since they tend to play "colorblind" laws.  As in, the government doesn't consider you a different race... even though everybody else does.

I like how you basically said it is much worse while you are not able to provide any number in your comparaison.
I also LOVE how you fail to realize that black people in France (metropole) were close to nothing before 1950 and is mainly du to a very recent emigration from Afrika. While black people in NA are a VERY old population that has fought for her right generation after generation. One could expect the later to be much more integrated and accepted in the country. Also, since these black population are mainly newcomer in France, there are usually "poor" and EVEN IF they have access to the same school and teaching, they usually do not success well in class (bad environnement, violence etc ...) and, sadly, do not have access to so many jobs and fail to be recruited just because of their scholar  failure.

Also, since in France we have yet to have a law forcing people to employ black BUT we have law protecting people from not being employed because their black, we do not use the completely unfair and racist quota system ...

When it comes to Civil Rights laws... usually the US is ahead.

 lol, more free claim

I mean, ask yourself this shio.  If Barak Obama was just some unknown guy walking down the streets of ANY europeon town... and someone were to go behind him, and ask the nice "non racist" europeon people in the streets.  "Say what race was that man right infront of me."


What do you think they would say?  Black... or "Half-white, half-black".  In the US we're just a little bit more straightfoward.

Yes, same goes in Europe (outside portugal ?) and NA. that, we agree.

At the end, I wonder what was your point ?


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libellule on 11 May 2010
Profcrab said:
I see that some others already jumped on this but my bullshit meter goes off like an air raid siren when I hear Europeans say that the US is far more racist.

Call us back when your minority employment figures are anywhere near ours. Last I read, the unemployment rate for young African immigrant minorities in France was at about 50% and at 20% for older age groups.

Can anyone say that the immigrant Turks are getting a fair shake in Germany?

Sorry guys, just because you smile nice to tourists from across the world, doesn't mean you treat your immigrant neighbors as well (unless of course they are also European.)

I give this thread a 9.3.

LOL, another complete fail

you are looking at the employment rate of an "integrated" population that is here since ... lot of years and you are comparing it to the very new black people that have no qualification, that are poor and may not even talk an european language ?

it is a joke right ?

what about the employment rate of the latinos in the US ? you know the ones that only talk spanish and do not have the same culture as YOU

what about them ?



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libellule on 11 May 2010
shio said:
mrstickball said:
I don't get why Europeans are trying to argue racism and hate in America.

I'd argue that we are far less racist than Europeans, given the amount of cultures our country has. Most European countries have a very small ethnic minority, which would allow them to leave less impeded, whereas in the US, you have a significant number of minorities in black and hispanics, which would tend to cause far greater issues, yet we've largely dealt with them.

Call me back when Europe has a country that has 30% of its citizens in a minority group. Until that happens, all arguments are pretty irrelevant...For the amount of minorities Europe has, there is a lot of strife.

Considering USA still has institutionalized racism, I seriously doubt you're right.

QUOTE OF THE YEAR

@shio, NJ5

how do you consider portugese people versus spanish in term of overall "racism" ?

I do believe spanish people (and italian) are more racist than french (it is pretty garanted to me)
BUT I have a problem to "rate" the portugese people despite being a country so close to spain.

French that come from portugal from their parents can be racist and try to stay between "them". But they are not real portugese.

The portugese (true one) I know and I have worked with are VERY open minded but they are absolutely non representative since they have made a lot of study and speak several language.

but what about the portugese in portugal ?



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FaRmLaNd on 11 May 2010
mrstickball said:
I don't get why Europeans are trying to argue racism and hate in America.

I'd argue that we are far less racist than Europeans, given the amount of cultures our country has. Most European countries have a very small ethnic minority, which would allow them to leave less impeded, whereas in the US, you have a significant number of minorities in black and hispanics, which would tend to cause far greater issues, yet we've largely dealt with them.

Call me back when Europe has a country that has 30% of its citizens in a minority group. Until that happens, all arguments are pretty irrelevant...For the amount of minorities Europe has, there is a lot of strife.

While it may be a bit hypocritical, as always countering this with the, but you're racist too card doesn't disqualify or counteract anything that happens within your own country either. All it means is that both places have problems.

 



dtewi on 11 May 2010

Because skin color is a superficial feature that we have labeled according to what it looks like.

Skin color does not have a heritage, it is purely what we see.

Therefore, Obama is black.



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Khuutra on 11 May 2010
dtewi said:

Because skin color is a superficial feature that we have labeled according to what it looks like.

Skin color does not have a heritage, it is purely what we see.

Therefore, Obama is black.

Obama is melanin-rich



xbebop on 11 May 2010
Khuutra said:
dtewi said:

Because skin color is a superficial feature that we have labeled according to what it looks like.

Skin color does not have a heritage, it is purely what we see.

Therefore, Obama is black.

Obama is melanin-rich

Win.

However, we just called mixed people black. It's easier. Most people don't call them "african americans" because there are actually very few black people that are within 6 generations of being "african", so they're just black, even though they're really brown.

Yeah.



halogamer1989 on 11 May 2010
xbebop said:
Khuutra said:
dtewi said:

Because skin color is a superficial feature that we have labeled according to what it looks like.

Skin color does not have a heritage, it is purely what we see.

Therefore, Obama is black.

Obama is melanin-rich

Win.

However, we just called mixed people black. It's easier. Most people don't call them "african americans" because there are actually very few black people that are within 6 generations of being "african", so they're just black, even though they're really brown.

Yeah.

Don't mean to cut in but all of the bolded can be summed up as pol correctness.  It runs rampant in my country - USA.



gurglesletch on 11 May 2010

Because he's Black. @OP




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mrstickball on 11 May 2010

So where is the current institutionalized racism in the US?

@Farmland - I'm not trying to argue that any racism in the US is acceptable. I just don't think its fair to bash the US for racism when there isn't a country nearly as large as us with the amount of minorities in our country.



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