jjseth said: As most of the hard core later adopters grow, its gonna be matched with the casuals. Family friendly games, reasonable price points,  quality library of games of various genres.  Sony has quite a few hard hitting exclusives and thats  gonna turn the tide. Especially if Nintendo and Microsoft stagnate as expected.     See what I did there?

it might have been good if your post made sense. But it doesn't. You have failed to put together coherant sentences. You fail.

FinalEvangelion said: The PS3 is cheaper, more games are coming out. Logically, they will sell more consoles. I've noticed the anti-Sony people getting more hyper the last couple of weeks.

 It's cheaper than it was before but still more expensive than any of the other consoles of this generation. PS2 is still selling better than ps3 (at least here in Spain) and until that changes Sony won't have any easier time.

However, new games such as MGS, FF13, Devil May Cry, and some more will give a boost to PS3 in Japan but will be almost unnoticeable in the US, because X360 sells better and (except ff) most other games are not exclusives of Sony.

Besides, Wii will be getting Monster Hunter 3 next year and you know what success that game has in Japan.

In short, released games will decide which goes up or down. 

I think you should guys should consider the numbers within each individual region and not just the global figures.
For example, in Japan, PS3 dominates the Xbox360. However, in America, the 360 still outsells the PS3 (within a margin of error).

If the 360 userbase continues to grow into 2008, we may see major Japanese publishers (Square Enix and Konami) announce ports of popular PS3 titles onto the 360. Thus, PS3 will lose it's only advantage it has in regions outside of Japan.

Similarly, major American and European publishers like EA and Ubisoft are already ensuring that their games appear on both platforms.

In my opinion, the software lineup this X'mas for PS3 is very weak. PS3 needs it's MGS4 and FFXIII in order to overcome the 360.

Nintendo and Microsoft are not going to wait around for Sony to "catch up" before they release more big games ... Consider that Nintendo will release Smash Bros. and Mario Kart (which are series as big as Mario Galaxy), and Wii Fit (which may/may not be a hit with non-gamers) all in the first half of 2008; on top of that the second half of 2008 is an unknown because Nintendo does not want to announce games years in advance anymore so we won't find out until 2008 what is comming out in 2008. On top of that Microsoft will receive (practically) every major western game release that Sony does and is sold at a lower price point which will (effectively) prevent the PS3 from selling all that well.

omgwtfbbq said: jjseth said: As most of the hard core later adopters grow, its gonna be matched with the casuals. Family friendly games, reasonable price points,  quality library of games of various genres.  Sony has quite a few hard hitting exclusives and thats  gonna turn the tide. Especially if Nintendo and Microsoft stagnate as expected.     See what I did there?  it might have been good if your post made sense. But it doesn't. You have failed to put together coherant sentences. You fail.

It might have been good if you could have realized that my original post was parodying the "Sony will have a tougher time in 2008" thread.  I copied and pasted the original paragraph the OP of that thread wrote and spun it so that it was positive for Sony.    You have failed to understand a joke and just fail.  Yes, you sir, fail.

@ jjseth : I personally did get and appreciate the parody of playing off the title and content of the "tough times" thread. Very funny.

There is no doubt PS3 has picked up. The question is "Is it too little too late". In Japan & Others that does not appear to be the case. North America.... meh. The increases are good, but they need a stronger software lineup in early '08, not late '08/early '09. But we'll have to wait and see. I wouldn't throw the dirt over Sony just yet. But I wouldn't move the dirt somewhere else just yet either.

I noticed this thread did mention the title that will reignite Japanese Wii sales if Wii fit does not ....... Monster Hunter 3. This was a huge gain for N in Japan, and it was a big loss for Sony. Though MH3 won't make much of a difference in N.A. and Others IMHO.

I think the unbridled success of Uncharted: Drake's Odyssy, Heavenly Sword, Lair and the Eye of Judgement prove the PS3 will win this generation. ;)

Mr_Immortal said: naznatips said: Mr_Immortal said: famousringo said: Wow, Mr_Immortal, it's like you're still stuck in 2006. The Wii looks outdated now, but people are buying it anyway. Eye candy isn't everything. And if you think price is the Holy Grail, just trust me when I say that there's no way that either competing console can beat the Wii at price limbo. It was making making money at release while competitors were flushing money down the toilet with every unit sold. Nintendo can drop the price whenever (if ever?) they need to stimulate demand. It is nice to see that Sony is starting to move some serious units now. I'd still like to know how much of this activity is the 40GB model. It seemed to drive a lot of sales in Japan, perhaps because of the white colour, but the surges in EU and NA look to be more software driven. A lot of people who have been eying the PS3 seem to have decided that there are enough games to justify the purchase, now. Yes the Wii does look outdated now, but so does the PS2 which is still selling rather strongly. But if you think the PS2 will sell as strongly in 08 you're sadly mistaken, same with the Wii. Also. regarding Nintendo lowering the price, the Wii will never be free. Logically if consumers (in future) have the choice between a $100-150 Wii or a $199 PS3 with a Blu-ray player/$199 360, they will choose the latter. I doubt the Wii will ever go below $100, at least not within the next few years.  Edit: I'm guessing mid-08 we'll see a real difference in Wii sales. Negative of course.   The PS2 is selling less than half as much as the Wii in worldwide numbers, and 1/5th the software.  The PS2s life is obviously nearing a close based on software sales and lack of development of new titles, but the Wii's 3rd party support from this year looks like a joke compared to next year's lineup and it's selling more software than any other system, which points towards a healthy console, not one that's going to magically die in a year. I never said the PS2 is selling as well as the Wii, I compared the fact that they're both outdated consoles that are doing well. Though I don't believe it will last. Yes, the Wii has a few decent titles, (Brawl comes to mind) but overall these titles can't compare to the big PS3/360 titles. I don't think it will magically die, though i'm expecting a gradual decrease in sales starting mid-08. And if there's another price cut for the PS3 and 360 before Christmas 08 (most probably there will be) that will just make things worse. IMO if Nintendo want to survive this entire generation, they'll have to release a Wii 2.

Again, your welcome to your opinion, but the facts are far from supporting that opinion.  The Wii's American sales are currently outselling the PS3's combined worldwide sales by more than 100K.  How can the PS3 possibly catch up to a console like that when even right after a major pricedrop and during the holidays it's not even within a competing sales range.  In fact, it's not even close to a competing sales range.   Meanwhile the Wii has yet to even drop the price to mass market level.

For the record, mass market price has been proved time and again to be $200, not $250.  The PS2 sold more than 80% of it's lifetime hardware at under $200.  Can you imagine what will happen to the Wii if it's not even in mass market price range yet?  Not to mention it sold out in much of the world for its entire first year with overall a crappy selection of software and very crappy 3rd party support.  Yet, despite this, it's software sales have been very healthy and it had 10 million selling games within the first year (even if you don't count the pack-in sales of Wii Sports) compared to the PS3's 2 million selling games. 

I absolutely agree that the PS3 will do much much better next year.  I think it will be in direct competition with the 360 because of its quality software and big games like MGS4 and Gran Turismo (FFXIII won't be till 09), but every single piece of available evidence points towards a stronger 2nd year for the Wii than its first.  A much stronger 2nd year in fact.  I understand completely that you don't want this to happen.  Many people don't want the Wii to succede, but this is a game sales site, and numbers and statistics speak far louder than opinions here. 

naznatips said: Mr_Immortal said: naznatips said: Mr_Immortal said: famousringo said: Wow, Mr_Immortal, it's like you're still stuck in 2006. The Wii looks outdated now, but people are buying it anyway. Eye candy isn't everything. And if you think price is the Holy Grail, just trust me when I say that there's no way that either competing console can beat the Wii at price limbo. It was making making money at release while competitors were flushing money down the toilet with every unit sold. Nintendo can drop the price whenever (if ever?) they need to stimulate demand. It is nice to see that Sony is starting to move some serious units now. I'd still like to know how much of this activity is the 40GB model. It seemed to drive a lot of sales in Japan, perhaps because of the white colour, but the surges in EU and NA look to be more software driven. A lot of people who have been eying the PS3 seem to have decided that there are enough games to justify the purchase, now. Yes the Wii does look outdated now, but so does the PS2 which is still selling rather strongly. But if you think the PS2 will sell as strongly in 08 you're sadly mistaken, same with the Wii. Also. regarding Nintendo lowering the price, the Wii will never be free. Logically if consumers (in future) have the choice between a $100-150 Wii or a $199 PS3 with a Blu-ray player/$199 360, they will choose the latter. I doubt the Wii will ever go below $100, at least not within the next few years. Edit: I'm guessing mid-08 we'll see a real difference in Wii sales. Negative of course.   The PS2 is selling less than half as much as the Wii in worldwide numbers, and 1/5th the software. The PS2s life is obviously nearing a close based on software sales and lack of development of new titles, but the Wii's 3rd party support from this year looks like a joke compared to next year's lineup and it's selling more software than any other system, which points towards a healthy console, not one that's going to magically die in a year. I never said the PS2 is selling as well as the Wii, I compared the fact that they're both outdated consoles that are doing well. Though I don't believe it will last. Yes, the Wii has a few decent titles, (Brawl comes to mind) but overall these titles can't compare to the big PS3/360 titles. I don't think it will magically die, though i'm expecting a gradual decrease in sales starting mid-08. And if there's another price cut for the PS3 and 360 before Christmas 08 (most probably there will be) that will just make things worse. IMO if Nintendo want to survive this entire generation, they'll have to release a Wii 2. 1)  Again, your welcome to your opinion, but the facts are far from supporting that opinion. The Wii's American sales are currently outselling the PS3's combined worldwide sales by more than 100K. How can the PS3 possibly catch up to a console like that when even right after a major pricedrop and during the holidays it's not even within a competing sales range. In fact, it's not even close to a competing sales range. Meanwhile the Wii has yet to even drop the price to mass market level. 2)  For the record, mass market price has been proved time and again to be $200, not $250. The PS2 sold more than 80% of it's lifetime hardware at under $200. Can you imagine what will happen to the Wii if it's not even in mass market price range yet? Not to mention it sold out in much of the world for its entire first year with overall a crappy selection of software and very crappy 3rd party support. Yet, despite this, it's software sales have been very healthy and it had 10 million selling games within the first year (even if you don't count the pack-in sales of Wii Sports) compared to the PS3's 2 million selling games. 3)  I absolutely agree that the PS3 will do much much better next year. I think it will be in direct competition with the 360 because of its quality software and big games like MGS4 and Gran Turismo (FFXIII won't be till 09), but every single piece of available evidence points towards a stronger 2nd year for the Wii than its first. A much stronger 2nd year in fact. I understand completely that you don't want this to happen. Many people don't want the Wii to succede, but this is a game sales site, and numbers and statistics speak far louder than opinions here.

1 & 2)  The PS3 started so far above your market level that it isn't funny.  You claim that market level means so much yet ignore the obvious difference between a console that starts $400 above your market level and a console that starts $50 above your market level.  That's not a small difference.  If market level really means as much as you say it does, just imagine what will happen when the PS3 gets into that ballpark.

You say the Wii still sold well with crappy software and crappy 3rd party support yet some of the biggest name Nintendo titles have already been released-Mario, Zelda, and Metroid.  The Wii Sports packin also yielded good results for Nintendo.  The bottom line is that most of the rest of the Wii's lineup isn't so strong both in name or quality (sometimes both).  Even the worst playing PS3 game that controls like crap looks amazing.  The Wii can't even claim that.  It's only a matter of time until Nintendo runs out of Super Mario Galaxy and Brawl type games and quality PS3 titles overwhelm the market.

3)  The 360 will easily be crushed underfoot as developers like Insomniac and Naughty Dog show how to make the PS3 shine.  It will be those great games that make the PS3 worth owning rather than a slew of mediocre titles.

@ PS-She

I agree with everything you said. For the PS3 to get those kind of # WW with just a price cut is pretty good. Just think of what the PS3 can do when it gets another price cut in the future, and with GT5, MGS4, and GTA IV coming out in 2008. The future for Sony will look brighter than before.