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Lord Flashheart said:
Lightning_24 said:

That's what I meant mine was out of context, I just pulled your comment out and commented it generaly. So without anything else attached to it I'm right ha got ya there

Thank you for everything else learn something every day. Now lets go troll  those consoles we don't own.

You already are /joking

I couldn't resist.

You know they say 50% or jokes are the truth, so are you really joking because I don't troll consoles or games but I may troll people. Like you for example.



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Lord Flashheart said:
Yakuzaice said:
Lord Flashheart said:
Yakuzaice said:
Lord Flashheart said:
@MikeB U2 took two years because the had laid the ground work with U1.
A better comparison for development time would have been GT5 not a sequel.

You are as good as spin as Selnor but without the personality.

Uncharted 1 didn't take 5 years either though.  Jak 3 came out in '04, Jak X in '05, and Uncharted released in '07

Gears one didn't take five years neither did 2. Whats your point.

One 360 game did. Doesn't mean you can draw comparison with a game that didn't and say look how long that took.

Like I said compare it to GT5 not a sequel. Or God of War 3 how long did that take? Heavy Rain? maybe this is revenge for all the times 360 owners have ridiculed how long it takes a Ps3 game to come out but doesn't change the facts no matter how much you spin it.

Not sure why you keep bringing up other games.  MikeB was comparing Uncharted 2 and Alan Wake development times.  You argued that the comparison wasn't fair because Uncharted was a sequel.  When I mention that the first Uncharted took nowhere near 5 years you just bring up GT5 and Gears of War.

As for God of War 3, it came out 3 years after God of War 2.

So he can bring up other games to make unfair comparisons.

I understand.

I can't do the same or ask he uses a game with a comparable dev time?

I understand. I'm in the wrong.

MikeB didn't first bring up Uncharted 2, the article and Selnor did.  The development time tangent was somewhat odd, but your comment didn't make any more sense.  You complained that using a sequel was unfair, and yet ignored the original game.  Then you brought up Gears for no apparent reason.  Nobody said that every 360 game takes 5 years.  You might have had a point if Remedy had done Gears and Naughty Dog had done Gran Turismo 5.  The discussion was comparing the graphics of Uncharted 2 and Alan Wake, and thus the talent Naughty Dog and Remedy have with working on their respective systems.



Lightning_24 said:
Lord Flashheart said:
Lightning_24 said:

That's what I meant mine was out of context, I just pulled your comment out and commented it generaly. So without anything else attached to it I'm right ha got ya there

Thank you for everything else learn something every day. Now lets go troll  those consoles we don't own.

You already are /joking

I couldn't resist.

You know they say 50% or jokes are the truth, so are you really joking because I don't troll consoles or games but I may troll people. Like you for example.

That was a joke 100% no truth. You haven't trolled. /serious

I think this might be my first completely serious comment on here.

Today you've done the internet some good. I thats all you take from this let it be enough.



Yakuzaice said:
Lord Flashheart said:
Yakuzaice said:
Lord Flashheart said:
Yakuzaice said:
Lord Flashheart said:
@MikeB U2 took two years because the had laid the ground work with U1.
A better comparison for development time would have been GT5 not a sequel.

You are as good as spin as Selnor but without the personality.

Uncharted 1 didn't take 5 years either though.  Jak 3 came out in '04, Jak X in '05, and Uncharted released in '07

Gears one didn't take five years neither did 2. Whats your point.

One 360 game did. Doesn't mean you can draw comparison with a game that didn't and say look how long that took.

Like I said compare it to GT5 not a sequel. Or God of War 3 how long did that take? Heavy Rain? maybe this is revenge for all the times 360 owners have ridiculed how long it takes a Ps3 game to come out but doesn't change the facts no matter how much you spin it.

Not sure why you keep bringing up other games.  MikeB was comparing Uncharted 2 and Alan Wake development times.  You argued that the comparison wasn't fair because Uncharted was a sequel.  When I mention that the first Uncharted took nowhere near 5 years you just bring up GT5 and Gears of War.

As for God of War 3, it came out 3 years after God of War 2.

So he can bring up other games to make unfair comparisons.

I understand.

I can't do the same or ask he uses a game with a comparable dev time?

I understand. I'm in the wrong.

MikeB didn't first bring up Uncharted 2, the article and Selnor did.  The development time tangent was somewhat odd, but your comment didn't make any more sense.  You complained that using a sequel was unfair, and yet ignored the original game.  Then you brought up Gears for no apparent reason.  Nobody said that every 360 game takes 5 years.  You might have had a point if Remedy had done Gears and Naughty Dog had done Gran Turismo 5.  The discussion was comparing the graphics of Uncharted 2 and Alan Wake, and thus the talent Naughty Dog and Remedy have with working on their respective systems.

You brought up Jak 3 and X so I bought up two games that didn't take long to release. Why did you bring them up?

Selnor never mentioned dev times for U2. MikeB did and it was out of place. If he wants to make comapirsons on dev times he should pick more comparable games. How is that difficult to understand? I didn't ignore the first one. I mentioned it in the first post? I don't have someone else who hasn't read the whole conversation have I? the discussion I was in was about dev times as started by MikeB so have a go at him?Who implied that every 360 game takes 5 years?

have you actually read the replies or just skimmed them? Again what is your point?

/exasterbated



Ha I just noticed something.

Once Selnor enters a thread, it turns into a shitstorm.

=/



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that's why we love Selnor. Perks up a sunday.



Lord Flashheart said:
Yakuzaice said:
Lord Flashheart said:
Yakuzaice said:
Lord Flashheart said:
Yakuzaice said:
Lord Flashheart said:
@MikeB U2 took two years because the had laid the ground work with U1.
A better comparison for development time would have been GT5 not a sequel.

You are as good as spin as Selnor but without the personality.

Uncharted 1 didn't take 5 years either though.  Jak 3 came out in '04, Jak X in '05, and Uncharted released in '07

Gears one didn't take five years neither did 2. Whats your point.

One 360 game did. Doesn't mean you can draw comparison with a game that didn't and say look how long that took.

Like I said compare it to GT5 not a sequel. Or God of War 3 how long did that take? Heavy Rain? maybe this is revenge for all the times 360 owners have ridiculed how long it takes a Ps3 game to come out but doesn't change the facts no matter how much you spin it.

Not sure why you keep bringing up other games.  MikeB was comparing Uncharted 2 and Alan Wake development times.  You argued that the comparison wasn't fair because Uncharted was a sequel.  When I mention that the first Uncharted took nowhere near 5 years you just bring up GT5 and Gears of War.

As for God of War 3, it came out 3 years after God of War 2.

So he can bring up other games to make unfair comparisons.

I understand.

I can't do the same or ask he uses a game with a comparable dev time?

I understand. I'm in the wrong.

MikeB didn't first bring up Uncharted 2, the article and Selnor did.  The development time tangent was somewhat odd, but your comment didn't make any more sense.  You complained that using a sequel was unfair, and yet ignored the original game.  Then you brought up Gears for no apparent reason.  Nobody said that every 360 game takes 5 years.  You might have had a point if Remedy had done Gears and Naughty Dog had done Gran Turismo 5.  The discussion was comparing the graphics of Uncharted 2 and Alan Wake, and thus the talent Naughty Dog and Remedy have with working on their respective systems.

You brought up Jak 3 and X so I bought up two games that didn't take long to release. Why did you bring them up?

Selnor never mentioned dev times for U2. MikeB did and it was out of place. If he wants to make comapirsons on dev times he should pick more comparable games. How is that difficult to understand? I didn't ignore the first one. I mentioned it in the first post? I don't have someone else who hasn't read the whole conversation have I? the discussion I was in was about dev times as started by MikeB so have a go at him?Who implied that every 360 game takes 5 years?

have you actually read the replies or just skimmed them? Again what is your point?

/exasterbated

Hmm, that's a tough one.  Maybe because we were talking about Uncharted and I was giving a timeline of Naughty Dog's releases before the first Uncharted game came out?

The only thing you mentioned about Uncharted 1 was that Uncharted 2 benefited due to work put into the first game.  Then you disregarded it as an example of development time for a game that wasn't a sequel.  You acted as if the only reason there was a two year development time was because it was a sequel, and then brought up Gears of War, GT5, and God of War when I commented that the first Uncharted was developed in a similar amount of time.

Are you reading the posts?  I said that his development time tangent was odd, but it still stemmed from the original comparison between Alan Wake and Uncharted 2.  You brought up Gears of War as an example of a 360 game that didn't take 5 years, so clearly you felt you had to assault some notion that 360 games all took 5 years.



puffy said:
Good work Selnor, you should do Microsoft's NPD spin for them.

I mean we could all be sitting here saying, well done Remedy, you did a great job! Instead this thread is going to descend into Alan Wake vs. UC2 and GoW3 all because you had to say (in the second post may I add) that DF said they were similar when in fact, they didn't say that at all.

Also how is Remedy's comment the "much more impressive" part of this Alan Wake discussion? Alan Wake isn't seeing any of the 30% extra, what does it have to do with the topic? I mean the games you compared Alan Wake to (UC2 and GoW3) are already seeing this kind of 30% performance jump over Alan Wake if not more.

The game will be great, and the lighting effects and atmosphere will be fantastic but stop the bullshit Selnor. We're sick of it.

Thank you, I couldn't have said it better myself.

I'm sure AW will be a great game, and I will enjoy playing it, but unfortunately it is doomed to join Mass Effect 2 as great game that is tarnished thanks to Selnor's incessant hyping (in my eyes).



Lord Flashheart said:
Yakuzaice said:
Lord Flashheart said:
Yakuzaice said:
Lord Flashheart said:
Yakuzaice said:
Lord Flashheart said:
@MikeB U2 took two years because the had laid the ground work with U1.
A better comparison for development time would have been GT5 not a sequel.

You are as good as spin as Selnor but without the personality.

Uncharted 1 didn't take 5 years either though.  Jak 3 came out in '04, Jak X in '05, and Uncharted released in '07

Gears one didn't take five years neither did 2. Whats your point.

One 360 game did. Doesn't mean you can draw comparison with a game that didn't and say look how long that took.

Like I said compare it to GT5 not a sequel. Or God of War 3 how long did that take? Heavy Rain? maybe this is revenge for all the times 360 owners have ridiculed how long it takes a Ps3 game to come out but doesn't change the facts no matter how much you spin it.

Not sure why you keep bringing up other games.  MikeB was comparing Uncharted 2 and Alan Wake development times.  You argued that the comparison wasn't fair because Uncharted was a sequel.  When I mention that the first Uncharted took nowhere near 5 years you just bring up GT5 and Gears of War.

As for God of War 3, it came out 3 years after God of War 2.

So he can bring up other games to make unfair comparisons.

I understand.

I can't do the same or ask he uses a game with a comparable dev time?

I understand. I'm in the wrong.

MikeB didn't first bring up Uncharted 2, the article and Selnor did.  The development time tangent was somewhat odd, but your comment didn't make any more sense.  You complained that using a sequel was unfair, and yet ignored the original game.  Then you brought up Gears for no apparent reason.  Nobody said that every 360 game takes 5 years.  You might have had a point if Remedy had done Gears and Naughty Dog had done Gran Turismo 5.  The discussion was comparing the graphics of Uncharted 2 and Alan Wake, and thus the talent Naughty Dog and Remedy have with working on their respective systems.

You brought up Jak 3 and X so I bought up two games that didn't take long to release. Why did you bring them up?

Selnor never mentioned dev times for U2. MikeB did and it was out of place. If he wants to make comapirsons on dev times he should pick more comparable games. How is that difficult to understand? I didn't ignore the first one. I mentioned it in the first post? I don't have someone else who hasn't read the whole conversation have I? the discussion I was in was about dev times as started by MikeB so have a go at him?Who implied that every 360 game takes 5 years?

have you actually read the replies or just skimmed them? Again what is your point?

/exasterbated

I would have thought the U2 comparison was... well, comparable. They're both 3rd-person games, both exclusive to there respective system and both are considerred to be visually advanced. And the Jak games are relevant to the discussion as Naughty Dog developed those games, suggesting it took them a little over 2 years before before U1, and another 2 years before U2 "perfected" the formula.

I'm guessing the point MikeB was trying to make was that Digital Foundry have found that Alan Wake isn't quite as visually stunning as it's been hyped up to be, even with the 5 yr dev time, whilst ND's 2 games are seen as the visual console standards (of their times) and have only taken 4 yrs. So, either PS3 > 360 or that ND > Remedy for this select and very specific case.

Of course, if we look at the article in a bit more depth we can see why the game took 5 yrs. Firstly, it was orginally on both PC and 360 before becomming 360 exlclusive, it was originally going to be sandbox but had to change mid-way for design reasons and not mentioned in the article that is worth noting in this development comparison is that Remedy is smaller than Naughty Dog.



Yakuzaice said:
Lord Flashheart said:
Yakuzaice said:
Lord Flashheart said:

So he can bring up other games to make unfair comparisons.

I understand.

I can't do the same or ask he uses a game with a comparable dev time?

I understand. I'm in the wrong.

MikeB didn't first bring up Uncharted 2, the article and Selnor did.  The development time tangent was somewhat odd, but your comment didn't make any more sense.  You complained that using a sequel was unfair, and yet ignored the original game.  Then you brought up Gears for no apparent reason.  Nobody said that every 360 game takes 5 years.  You might have had a point if Remedy had done Gears and Naughty Dog had done Gran Turismo 5.  The discussion was comparing the graphics of Uncharted 2 and Alan Wake, and thus the talent Naughty Dog and Remedy have with working on their respective systems.

You brought up Jak 3 and X so I bought up two games that didn't take long to release. Why did you bring them up?

Selnor never mentioned dev times for U2. MikeB did and it was out of place. If he wants to make comapirsons on dev times he should pick more comparable games. How is that difficult to understand? I didn't ignore the first one. I mentioned it in the first post? I don't have someone else who hasn't read the whole conversation have I? the discussion I was in was about dev times as started by MikeB so have a go at him?Who implied that every 360 game takes 5 years?

have you actually read the replies or just skimmed them? Again what is your point?

/exasterbated

Hmm, that's a tough one.  Maybe because we were talking about Uncharted and I was giving a timeline of Naughty Dog's releases before the first Uncharted game came out?

The only thing you mentioned about Uncharted 1 was that Uncharted 2 benefited due to work put into the first game.  Then you disregarded it as an example of development time for a game that wasn't a sequel.  You acted as if the only reason there was a two year development time was because it was a sequel, and then brought up Gears of War, GT5, and God of War when I commented that the first Uncharted was developed in a similar amount of time.

Are you reading the posts?  I said that his development time tangent was odd, but it still stemmed from the original comparison between Alan Wake and Uncharted 2.  You brought up Gears of War as an example of a 360 game that didn't take 5 years, so clearly you felt you had to assault some notion that 360 games all took 5 years.

If you had explained yourself like that it would have made sense but you didn't.
Anyway it is an unfair comparison. Why does it matter how long AW took to make or U2? How does the fact U2 took less time impact AW? That was the issue I and others had with him. What does the dev time for both games have to do with anything?

What does the timeline of naughty dog have to do with anything? or remedy? I bought up GT5 before you came into this. It suits whatever point MikeB was trying to make better than U2. Who did I assault? Again where did this notion that all 360 games take 5 years come from? Seriously where are you getting all this from? Why can't you answer my questions? you just (finally) clarified some of the points you made avoiding the issue. Why aren't you having (or assaulting) a go at MikeB over this. I asked a legitimate question to him and you jumped in sticking up for him.