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Mr Puggsly on 07 May 2010
FantasySky said:
no it died because.... ITS 10 BLOODY YEARS OLD!!!!! thats praticaly 200 years old in human years :P i think sony hav done an incredable job with the ps2

Yes, yes... we all understand Sony is incredible. But you've also missed the point.

I'm talking about how the life of the PS2 could have been prolonged. It could still be alive and kicking if Sony supported it on the PS3.

The PS2 was ideal for low budget core projects that would be considered unacceptable for the PS3 standards. It seems like the Xbox 360 has now become the ideal console for such projects.



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thelifatree on 07 May 2010
Mr Puggsly said:
FantasySky said:
no it died because.... ITS 10 BLOODY YEARS OLD!!!!! thats praticaly 200 years old in human years :P i think sony hav done an incredable job with the ps2

Yes, yes... we all understand Sony is incredible. But you've also missed the point.

I'm talking about how the life of the PS2 could have been prolonged. It could still be alive and kicking if Sony supported it on the PS3.

The PS2 was ideal for low budget core projects that would be considered unacceptable for the PS3 standards. It seems like the Xbox 360 has now become the ideal console for such projects.

um Mr. Puggsly I see your point in the with this hypothetical.

However is the reason why you see the xbox 360 a better platform for low budget core projects, is because it's easier to develop for (according to developers) than the PS3. Because, Record of Agarest war is an example of a ps2 graphically quality game and it's on ps3 and xbox360 I believe. But that's only 1 example



Akvod on 07 May 2010

I think it's a smart idea for Sony to sacrifice the 10 year old PS2, than letting the PS3 absolutely flounder by keeping its high price.



papflesje on 07 May 2010
thelifatree said:
papflesje said:
thelifatree said:
Mr Puggsly said:
oldschoolfool said:
The ps2 is dead because it's old and most everybody has moved on from it. It's common sense really.

And if the PS3 had BC it would be more relevant. Notice how PS1 software has stayed relevant on the PS3? Its common sense really.

However, I do think we are looking to deep into this. And they can add software emulation (if it's possible any time they want) Sony killed it because of hardware costs thus going to the cost of consumers of 500$ and 600$ PS3's. Because when they removed it they lowered the price. Because I would assume they didn't want to keep over supporting the PS2, while the PS3 died an ugly death

the PS3 was their future for 1. Games 2. Blu-Ray IP, (for which they own around 25% I think in royalties, because the PS3 basically killed HD DVD). Maybe their desision was wrong. But hindsight is always 20/20.

Now if they can release an update with software emulation and PS2 PSN games that would be the best thing for everyone. But I don't know if they're going to do that.

If PS2 production is halted and the PS3 is making a profit at that time, then you can expect BC returning.

Or, due to the success of the God of War Collection, you might more of those kind of things, as it garners more profit than a 15 euro game on PSN (for Sony at least)

No, actually I don't expect that to happen at all. I'm just saying it would be reasonable for them to do that.

There have been other collections which I've hoped for, that have been discussed such as Shadow of Colossos. However this involves more expensive porting it as opposed to just copy and pasting it with slight emulation improvement. Such as the current PS1 PSN games. I don't even know if software emulation on the ps3 for ps2 is
possible with the specs it has though. But software emulations would allow them to release many ps2 games on psn rather cheaply.

But I think this would more likely occur on PS4 or later interations, when the current ps2's break and become hard to get. And the ps2 games become more nostalgic.

But this is just my thinking, basically creating my own completely random business plan on a possible way to implement ps2 games on psn. not any basis on fact.

Discussion is why we are here :p

 

I know there were talks of the SotC-collection, but that would be too early. We still have no idea about the release date for The Last Guardian, so they're not going to show any possible collection which will be forgotten about, until they get much closer to the release date of TLG. About the cost: PS2 games cost 15, maybe 20 on PSN. That's indeed nice profit, but if they can sell it at 60 euro's in stores (and get 40 euro for themselves for example), why would they not develop a tad longer and reap the benefits from that?


If they keep up the "collection"-idea with several games, then they can create smart bundles with two games and its HD-sequel and so on, creating much more exposure. Talking about a game on PSN is way more difficult to market than a new collection, that'll be talked about (and get reviewed more visibly) way more.



thelifatree on 07 May 2010
papflesje said:
thelifatree said:
papflesje said:
thelifatree said:
Mr Puggsly said:
oldschoolfool said:
The ps2 is dead because it's old and most everybody has moved on from it. It's common sense really.

And if the PS3 had BC it would be more relevant. Notice how PS1 software has stayed relevant on the PS3? Its common sense really.

However, I do think we are looking to deep into this. And they can add software emulation (if it's possible any time they want) Sony killed it because of hardware costs thus going to the cost of consumers of 500$ and 600$ PS3's. Because when they removed it they lowered the price. Because I would assume they didn't want to keep over supporting the PS2, while the PS3 died an ugly death

the PS3 was their future for 1. Games 2. Blu-Ray IP, (for which they own around 25% I think in royalties, because the PS3 basically killed HD DVD). Maybe their desision was wrong. But hindsight is always 20/20.

Now if they can release an update with software emulation and PS2 PSN games that would be the best thing for everyone. But I don't know if they're going to do that.

If PS2 production is halted and the PS3 is making a profit at that time, then you can expect BC returning.

Or, due to the success of the God of War Collection, you might more of those kind of things, as it garners more profit than a 15 euro game on PSN (for Sony at least)

No, actually I don't expect that to happen at all. I'm just saying it would be reasonable for them to do that.

There have been other collections which I've hoped for, that have been discussed such as Shadow of Colossos. However this involves more expensive porting it as opposed to just copy and pasting it with slight emulation improvement. Such as the current PS1 PSN games. I don't even know if software emulation on the ps3 for ps2 is
possible with the specs it has though. But software emulations would allow them to release many ps2 games on psn rather cheaply.

But I think this would more likely occur on PS4 or later interations, when the current ps2's break and become hard to get. And the ps2 games become more nostalgic.

But this is just my thinking, basically creating my own completely random business plan on a possible way to implement ps2 games on psn. not any basis on fact.

Discussion is why we are here :p

 

I know there were talks of the SotC-collection, but that would be too early. We still have no idea about the release date for The Last Guardian, so they're not going to show any possible collection which will be forgotten about, until they get much closer to the release date of TLG. About the cost: PS2 games cost 15, maybe 20 on PSN. That's indeed nice profit, but if they can sell it at 60 euro's in stores (and get 40 euro for themselves for example), why would they not develop a tad longer and reap the benefits from that?


If they keep up the "collection"-idea with several games, then they can create smart bundles with two games and its HD-sequel and so on, creating much more exposure. Talking about a game on PSN is way more difficult to market than a new collection, that'll be talked about (and get reviewed more visibly) way more.

yes I agree with that as well. Basically with everything you've said. And thinking about it more. They've only released, random Major Titles for the most part on PSN for Psone games.

So I think they have a ways to go on that, before they can think about a ps2 psn store.



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papflesje on 07 May 2010

A PS2 store will probably be the way to go for the third party. I think sony will keep looking into collections for certain games though. And that would only be possible if they limited their own involvement with PS2 titles on the PS3 at this point.



Jereel Hunter on 07 May 2010

Do you blame Nintendo for the 'death' of the NES as well?



heedstone on 07 May 2010

Yeah I know!  You buy a console and then BOOM!  10 years later it's obsolete!    :)



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Theo on 07 May 2010

My guess is that sales are dropping because everybody already has one. BC isn't needed in the PS3 because everybody has a PS2.

We are too deep into this generation to be bothered about the last, too many good current gen games to be busy with. I have a PS2 and a BC PS3 and haven't played a PS2 game in years. Same with every PS3 owning m8 of mine. Being a complaining minority doesn't mean you're right, sony is wrong and the PS2 is dead.



TheNoobHolocaust on 07 May 2010

Sony killed it off on purpose! Hopefully to bring PS2 games to PSN, or maybe to get more PS3 buyers. Only time will tell...




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