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To sum up :
- Subprime crisis + Deregulation since Clinton's era makes all bank go near bankruptcy
- Banks whine to death and asks states to give them cash so they don't die
- All states boast on bailout plan by giving multibajillon to bank's pockets to 'save economy'... without any compensation, and thus raising their own deficit
- Banks makes money by speculating on states' debts
- Banks pays back the states and the interests in less than two years, without a thanks
- Banks can now makes moar money with the aid of notation agency saying : 'oh, this state is in deficit, let's pwn them'

tl;dr version :
Bank's deficit is now states' deficit. => You pay. End of story.



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I don't get what the rioters want


it's like, 'yeah lets take to the street, that'll stop then cutting our salaries.'

that's all well and good but where exactly do they expect the money to come from. yeah your situation sucks and your free to comlain about the situation, but you have to face reality here



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DirtyP2002 said:

It would be too easy to blame Greece.

Check the total debt of some countries in Europe:

Germany: 1,700 billion EUR

France: 1,489 billion EUR

United Kingdom: 1,027 billion GBP

Spain: 559 billion EUR

Portugal: 125 billion EUR

Austria: 184 billion EUR

Italy: 1,370 billion EUR

Greece: 273 billion EUR

Netherlands: 347 billion EUR

Now some other states:

USA: 12.307 billion USD
Japan: 8.282 billion USD
Australia: 172 billion USD
China: 680 billion USD

 

Do you think every country can pay the debt?

 

Thats over simplifying it. Debt is not the only issue, its deficit in relation to growth/gdp and who owns your debt. Greece is running a huge deficit in relation to their growth and with no options for reorganizing their debt out side of defaulting or restructuring at the cost of the Euro.

Its a complicated issue but you can't point to other country's debt and make a direct comparison to Greece.



Grimes said:
Slimebeast said:
papflesje said:
Slimebeast said:
What's going on?

Short version: Greece is acting up. They have to save a ****load of money because they had been living above their level and now some people are actually burning down the country because they don't want to accept salary cuts to save the finances of the country...

lol

It's not really that funny considering people are dying and lives are being ruined.

LOL!



Nirvana_Nut85 said:

They're already doing that. If you watched the G8 last year they introduced a global currency which they are working at heavily to replace all national currency's, which is apart of the whole push towards a global governance, which they will say " will save us " from another economic collapse. It's gonna happen in the next decade in my opinion.

Not a chance it happens in the next decade. If it happens its going be a gradual process. Even if every government in the world agreed today to head in that direction you cannot reorganize these giant economic systems together in anything close to a decade.

First you will have to see other coalitions like EU. The NAU moving to a unified economic system that involved a single currency would be a step in that direction, which with how things are going for the EU and the world economy in general is very unlikely.

Most importantly its tremendously difficult to sell politically. The political issues are greater then the economic ones.



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The Aussie government is 60 billion in debt and will pay it off within a few years (we had a surplus before the global recession, plus we only had one quarter of contraction and thus never actually went into recession). However the rest of the debt within our country probably isn't going to go anywhere.



binary solo said:
Just want to point out that some of the Dow melt down was because of a computer glitch. Apparently Proctor and Gamble's share price suddenly got cut in half for no apparent reason and then the market tumbled in typical herd-like / reef fish fashion.

Some Accounting firm went from 40$ down to 1 cent for a few seconds. That was much worse thanw hat happened to P&G



gurglesletch said:
binary solo said:
Just want to point out that some of the Dow melt down was because of a computer glitch. Apparently Proctor and Gamble's share price suddenly got cut in half for no apparent reason and then the market tumbled in typical herd-like / reef fish fashion.

Some Accounting firm went from 40$ down to 1 cent for a few seconds. That was much worse thanw hat happened to P&G

1c!! What a bargain.

I only heard about P&G on the news, no others were mentioned. It's logical to expect a computer glitch is gonna affect more than one random company's share price. Probably every share that was traded in a specific brief time period got hit.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

If 300 Spartans could hold off 1 million Persians for a few days...just think what 11 million Poor Greeks can do!

 

(and no this isnt funny)



Grimes said:

It's not really that funny considering people are dying and lives are being ruined.

And thats the medias message for this week, ungratfull peasants crying over nothing too specific (its all to hard to explain according to editors). Do you have any idea what happens to countries with massive debt? Do you know what the IMF and the World Bank do to these countries?


Watch this - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7932485454526581006#docid=-5399796928596929639

Now tell me they don't have a reason to object to cuts in public spending. These debt ridden countries are eventually going to outnumber the rest, when that happens the IMF will be destroyed.



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