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FF13 ps3 vs 360 sales pt 2

it was better off with sony 235 67.14%
 
it was a good move to go multi plat 115 32.86%
 
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thelifatree on 05 May 2010
Xbbjf9s said:
WheelStriker said:
Xbbjf9s said:
WheelStriker said:
Xbbjf9s said:
WheelStriker said:

The whole purpose for the games multipaltform status was because of the playstation 3s tagprice and lack of userbase in comparison to the xbox 360s. The safe assumption was that more xbox 360 versions will outsell their playstation 3 counterparts because the console was cheaper and had a larger userbase.

And now, the expectation is the opposite. More playstation 3 version outsold its xbox 360 counterparts, despite the playstation 3 selling the least out of the three consoles in userbase.

It was a disappointment that the game was no longer an exclusive as it should because of the series being synonymous with playstation, but because the general consensus of the game being the "worst final fantasy" in the series and got the lowest critic score out of all the numbered final fantasys, do people care any more?


I understand why they did it but as you pointed out the results were opposite and in my op it is the worst ff gam ever played (soundtrack is bad ass though).  I wonder what will happen with future games.

I think this should be a lesson to square enix and realise the signifance of brand recognition. If their games are about quality, stick to one console thats capable of making visions come true.


So true, this is just my op but i compared cg scenes for crisis core to ff13 and i'll be damned if cc looked better. If it was made soley for the ps3 the graphics would have been at uncharted 2 level, maybe better.

I expect final fantasy versus XIII to surpass uncharted 2 visually. Since nomura claimed that ingame graphics will visually the same to advent children graphics.

So the team that deals with the ff7 series is  different from the ff10 team (they did ff13 if i'm not mistaken) ?

Final Fantasy is not synonymous with playstation I-VI were all nintendo, that's half the series. Although They've been rereleased on playstation and DS
FFVII, FFVIII, FFXI were all realeased on PC.

If any company wanted to make the most visually impressive game, The most platform is PC, then PS3. Meaning you guys, by your logic think Final Fantasy should be PC exclusive.

FFVII original concent and design was by sakaguchi. FFVIII, FFX, and FFXIII aren't, and FFX and FFXIII are very close the same development team... Ironically 8,10,13 are my favorite. Although 6,7,9,XIII are all close IMO. But you guys don't like FFVIII

It's going to sell more than FFIX, FFXII, and all FF besides 7,8,10

The Place where sales are actually lower, than normal is in Japan. Where I believe it's lower than FF6. And it is exclusive in Japan. But that's before the Extra Releases still. But it will be quite a bit lower there.



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RageBot on 05 May 2010

We can't tell.

What would've happened if the game was released last holiday season, had more hype (due to being exclusive), was a better game (as almost all exclusives are)?

How many of the pepole who bought it for the 360 also have a PS3 (and would've bought it for the PS3 if it was exclusive), how many pepole who only own a 360 would've bought a PS3 for XIII if it was exclusive?

We don't know.

So the game probably sold more on both HD consoles combined than on what it would've sold on the PS3 alone, but, with all that i've said earlier, we can't tell for sure if those extra pepole were worth the price of porting the game for the 360.



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BMaker11 on 05 May 2010
twesterm said:
sorrowsfountain said:
square enix didnt sale any more games going multiplat. the people who did buy it would have bought it if had been exclusive. if they had made it a xbox exclusive the sales would still equal ps3+360 totals....or if they had moved it to the wii.
the point is its final fantasy the people who want to play final fantasy buy it...the same way if you want to play mario games you buy a nintendo

That's just...no, that's just horribly wrong.

No, actually not entirely. Look at the combined sales (360 and PS3) of former PS3 exclusives, and compare them to their last gen PS2 exclusive counterpart. The combined sales are about on par with the exclusive sales, no? 

At some point or another, I made the argument on VGC that going multi really didn't boost sales for most games, compared to their exclusive counterparts last gen. Look at Devil May Cry. Released nice and early in the PS2's lifetime, so you can't use the userbase argument. Sold 2.78M. DMC4? Combined sales = 2.54M

Now, I'm not gonna make the argument that 1.24M people who bought it on the 360 would've have bought a PS3 for it. But multiconsole owners....they would've bought it for the PS3, obviously. And *some* would've bought a PS3 for DMC4. So a sizable amount of people would have increased PS3 overall numbers for the game. Going multiplatform hasn't "expanded" the userbase for any game this gen. All it's done is split the sales that would've eventually happened anyway, at least that's how I see it IMO. Look at Tekken also. My favorite one to look at is MGS4. Stayed exclusive, in 2008 when the PS3 was "doomed", yet outsold MGS3. If it went multiplatform, I dare say that it would've only sold around 3-3.5M on the PS3, and maybe another 1M on 360...but the sales still would've equaled 4.5M at the end of the day.

But hey, like I said, this is just how I see things, and according to you, there's no possible way to quantify it



ShadowSoldier on 05 May 2010

Honestly, all it seemed to do was just split the fanbase. seems to me it would have been better to have kept it a PS3 exclusive



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Xbbjf9s on 05 May 2010
BMaker11 said:
twesterm said:
sorrowsfountain said:
square enix didnt sale any more games going multiplat. the people who did buy it would have bought it if had been exclusive. if they had made it a xbox exclusive the sales would still equal ps3+360 totals....or if they had moved it to the wii.
the point is its final fantasy the people who want to play final fantasy buy it...the same way if you want to play mario games you buy a nintendo

That's just...no, that's just horribly wrong.

No, actually not entirely. Look at the combined sales (360 and PS3) of former PS3 exclusives, and compare them to their last gen PS2 exclusive counterpart. The combined sales are about on par with the exclusive sales, no? 

At some point or another, I made the argument on VGC that going multi really didn't boost sales for most games, compared to their exclusive counterparts last gen. Look at Devil May Cry. Released nice and early in the PS2's lifetime, so you can't use the userbase argument. Sold 2.78M. DMC4? Combined sales = 2.54M

Now, I'm not gonna make the argument that 1.24M people who bought it on the 360 would've have bought a PS3 for it. But multiconsole owners....they would've bought it for the PS3, obviously. And *some* would've bought a PS3 for DMC4. So a sizable amount of people would have increased PS3 overall numbers for the game. Going multiplatform hasn't "expanded" the userbase for any game this gen. All it's done is split the sales that would've eventually happened anyway, at least that's how I see it IMO. Look at Tekken also. My favorite one to look at is MGS4. Stayed exclusive, in 2008 when the PS3 was "doomed", yet outsold MGS3. If it went multiplatform, I dare say that it would've only sold around 3-3.5M on the PS3, and maybe another 1M on 360...but the sales still would've equaled 4.5M at the end of the day.

But hey, like I said, this is just how I see things, and according to you, there's no possible way to quantify it


Your statemnet makes alot of sense, the combined sales of ff13 almost equal ff12



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sanadawarrior on 05 May 2010
BMaker11 said:
twesterm said:
sorrowsfountain said:
square enix didnt sale any more games going multiplat. the people who did buy it would have bought it if had been exclusive. if they had made it a xbox exclusive the sales would still equal ps3+360 totals....or if they had moved it to the wii.
the point is its final fantasy the people who want to play final fantasy buy it...the same way if you want to play mario games you buy a nintendo

That's just...no, that's just horribly wrong.

No, actually not entirely. Look at the combined sales (360 and PS3) of former PS3 exclusives, and compare them to their last gen PS2 exclusive counterpart. The combined sales are about on par with the exclusive sales, no? 

At some point or another, I made the argument on VGC that going multi really didn't boost sales for most games, compared to their exclusive counterparts last gen. Look at Devil May Cry. Released nice and early in the PS2's lifetime, so you can't use the userbase argument. Sold 2.78M. DMC4? Combined sales = 2.54M

Now, I'm not gonna make the argument that 1.24M people who bought it on the 360 would've have bought a PS3 for it. But multiconsole owners....they would've bought it for the PS3, obviously. And *some* would've bought a PS3 for DMC4. So a sizable amount of people would have increased PS3 overall numbers for the game. Going multiplatform hasn't "expanded" the userbase for any game this gen. All it's done is split the sales that would've eventually happened anyway, at least that's how I see it IMO. Look at Tekken also. My favorite one to look at is MGS4. Stayed exclusive, in 2008 when the PS3 was "doomed", yet outsold MGS3. If it went multiplatform, I dare say that it would've only sold around 3-3.5M on the PS3, and maybe another 1M on 360...but the sales still would've equaled 4.5M at the end of the day.

But hey, like I said, this is just how I see things, and according to you, there's no possible way to quantify it

Yeah, except Im sure the number of people who would have bought it as a PS3 exclusive is no where near 1.24 million, so those sales wouldn't "have happened anyways" and instead would be lost sales. I can assure you after recently getting a PS3, DMC4 would not even be on my radar for a game to buy right now, but was a game I got way back when it came out on 360.

Edit: Also you used the first DMC instead of DMC 3 to paint a picture of the series not growing, however when you compare DMC 3's 1.93m to DMC 4's 2.54m in sales your argument falls apart because sales actualy rose by quite a bit from the last iteration of the series.



divwilson50 on 05 May 2010
gustave154 said:
lol we will find out if FFXIII would have sold better if it was released on PS3 only when FF Versus XIII comes out.

very good point. but tbh. alot of people were dissapointed in ff13 though.



 



 

BMaker11 on 05 May 2010
sanadawarrior said:
BMaker11 said:
twesterm said:
sorrowsfountain said:
square enix didnt sale any more games going multiplat. the people who did buy it would have bought it if had been exclusive. if they had made it a xbox exclusive the sales would still equal ps3+360 totals....or if they had moved it to the wii.
the point is its final fantasy the people who want to play final fantasy buy it...the same way if you want to play mario games you buy a nintendo

That's just...no, that's just horribly wrong.

No, actually not entirely. Look at the combined sales (360 and PS3) of former PS3 exclusives, and compare them to their last gen PS2 exclusive counterpart. The combined sales are about on par with the exclusive sales, no? 

At some point or another, I made the argument on VGC that going multi really didn't boost sales for most games, compared to their exclusive counterparts last gen. Look at Devil May Cry. Released nice and early in the PS2's lifetime, so you can't use the userbase argument. Sold 2.78M. DMC4? Combined sales = 2.54M

Now, I'm not gonna make the argument that 1.24M people who bought it on the 360 would've have bought a PS3 for it. But multiconsole owners....they would've bought it for the PS3, obviously. And *some* would've bought a PS3 for DMC4. So a sizable amount of people would have increased PS3 overall numbers for the game. Going multiplatform hasn't "expanded" the userbase for any game this gen. All it's done is split the sales that would've eventually happened anyway, at least that's how I see it IMO. Look at Tekken also. My favorite one to look at is MGS4. Stayed exclusive, in 2008 when the PS3 was "doomed", yet outsold MGS3. If it went multiplatform, I dare say that it would've only sold around 3-3.5M on the PS3, and maybe another 1M on 360...but the sales still would've equaled 4.5M at the end of the day.

But hey, like I said, this is just how I see things, and according to you, there's no possible way to quantify it

Yeah, except Im sure the number of people who would have bought it as a PS3 exclusive is no where near 1.24 million, so those sales wouldn't "have happened anyways" and instead would be lost sales. I can assure you after recently getting a PS3, DMC4 would not even be on my radar for a game to buy right now, but was a game I got way back when it came out on 360.

I've already made my argument for the numbers...but....you wouldn't get DMC4 after recently getting a PS3? DUH! I could L1$T W4R$ you reasons why DMC4 wouldn't be on your radar if you recently got a PS3. But, you're treating it like it was a late port or something. It came out day and date with the 360 version. Now venture back into the beginning of 2008. You know:

http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/48099 and

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/326/9/9/PS3_HAS_NO_GAME_by_FreshNfly89.png 

Had DMC4 been exclusive, you don't think the PS3 numbers would've went up based on multiconsole ownership, and people who are just fans of DMC? Ok...look at my other example of Tekken. And you CANNOT overlook MGS4, which sold MORE than it's predecessor, on a userbase of over 100M. 



RafaelOrix on 05 May 2010

Multiplatform move was a good decision, imo. Maybe most FF13 Xbox 360 owners would have bought the PS3 version, but by doing this way they can create a better fanbase on other consoles for future titles.



Xbbjf9s on 05 May 2010
BMaker11 said:
sanadawarrior said:
BMaker11 said:
twesterm said:
sorrowsfountain said:
square enix didnt sale any more games going multiplat. the people who did buy it would have bought it if had been exclusive. if they had made it a xbox exclusive the sales would still equal ps3+360 totals....or if they had moved it to the wii.
the point is its final fantasy the people who want to play final fantasy buy it...the same way if you want to play mario games you buy a nintendo

That's just...no, that's just horribly wrong.

No, actually not entirely. Look at the combined sales (360 and PS3) of former PS3 exclusives, and compare them to their last gen PS2 exclusive counterpart. The combined sales are about on par with the exclusive sales, no? 

At some point or another, I made the argument on VGC that going multi really didn't boost sales for most games, compared to their exclusive counterparts last gen. Look at Devil May Cry. Released nice and early in the PS2's lifetime, so you can't use the userbase argument. Sold 2.78M. DMC4? Combined sales = 2.54M

Now, I'm not gonna make the argument that 1.24M people who bought it on the 360 would've have bought a PS3 for it. But multiconsole owners....they would've bought it for the PS3, obviously. And *some* would've bought a PS3 for DMC4. So a sizable amount of people would have increased PS3 overall numbers for the game. Going multiplatform hasn't "expanded" the userbase for any game this gen. All it's done is split the sales that would've eventually happened anyway, at least that's how I see it IMO. Look at Tekken also. My favorite one to look at is MGS4. Stayed exclusive, in 2008 when the PS3 was "doomed", yet outsold MGS3. If it went multiplatform, I dare say that it would've only sold around 3-3.5M on the PS3, and maybe another 1M on 360...but the sales still would've equaled 4.5M at the end of the day.

But hey, like I said, this is just how I see things, and according to you, there's no possible way to quantify it

Yeah, except Im sure the number of people who would have bought it as a PS3 exclusive is no where near 1.24 million, so those sales wouldn't "have happened anyways" and instead would be lost sales. I can assure you after recently getting a PS3, DMC4 would not even be on my radar for a game to buy right now, but was a game I got way back when it came out on 360.

I've already made my argument for the numbers...but....you wouldn't get DMC4 after recently getting a PS3? DUH! I could L1$T W4R$ you reasons why DMC4 wouldn't be on your radar if you recently got a PS3. But, you're treating it like it was a late port or something. It came out day and date with the 360 version. Now venture back into the beginning of 2008. You know:

http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/48099 and

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/326/9/9/PS3_HAS_NO_GAME_by_FreshNfly89.png 

Had DMC4 been exclusive, you don't think the PS3 numbers would've went up based on multiconsole ownership, and people who are just fans of DMC? Ok...look at my other example of Tekken. And you CANNOT overlook MGS4, which sold MORE than it's predecessor, on a userbase of over 100M. 


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