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Icyedge on 29 April 2010
Kasz216 said:
Icyedge said:
XGamer0611 said:
This lawsuit has legs. This simple fact that Sony sold the feature and promoted it only to remove it shows they did it in their own interest. Also, the fact that the update removed the feature after the hobbyist Geohot announced he had hacked the PS3 to make backup software (pirated games). Sony was protecting their interest at the sake of the consumer. One thing that the lawsuit did not mention was the fact that people using the other OS feature could lose their data (if not backed up) if they updated to the latest update. As the update would completely make the Linux partition unavailable.

They did not removed Linux from anyone as you say. They removed PSN from people who wanna kept Linux, which is very different. So no the lawsuit dont have legs.

Uh, they didn't JUST remove PSN.  They also removed the ability to play some newer games.  You need to have updated firmware to play some newer games.  Sony says so themselves.

http://us.playstation.com/support/systemupdates/ps3/index.htm

In otherwords... you have to choose between being able to play games or not have linux.

At the moment they didnt restrict access to any normal PS3 games, if that happen then people will have reason to sue them. Sure they stated that not updating may result in unability to play games. The way I see this is as example PSMoves games or 3D games will require an update. Sony is not legally bind to give you the ability to play games using new tech and device since it didnt came with your PS3 purchase (PSmove and 3D support). Now if their lawyers are dumb enough to tell Sony to go ahead and restrict access to new normal PS3 games then go ahead and sue them because it will infact go against most countries laws.



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hollywood85 on 29 April 2010
phxprovost said:
Baalzamon said:
This is a key component of the PS3?!?!?!?!?!? GET A COMPUTER!!!!!!!

Sony put a feature into a consumer product then removed it once purchased?!?!?!?!?!?

Would be like if apple sold you an iphone then decided to send out an update one day that removes text messaging from all phones.  Should they be aloud to do it cause its their product, with the main purpose of the product being to make phone calls?  O rite i forgot its sony we are talking about here, automatically all is forgiven around these parts.

lol @ you camparing other os to text messaging....... just like that other genisus  who compared it to the dualshock...... becasue removing a feature !!!EVERYONE!!!! uses would be wrong..............



.jayderyu on 29 April 2010

Legal contract =/= Ethics < Money



Squilliam: On Vgcharts its a commonly accepted practice to twist the bounds of plausibility in order to support your argument or agenda so I think its pretty cool that this gives me the precedent to say whatever I damn well please.

thranx on 30 April 2010

i really can not believe all consumers aren't outraged by what sony did. or what you guys would let other companies do. man just let all your rights be taken away. can not wait for this court verdict though, all of this arguing in the forums seems like it doesn't matter compared to the court decision.



Solid_Snake4RD on 30 April 2010
Adobo said:
Baalzamon said:
This is a key component of the PS3?!?!?!?!?!? GET A COMPUTER!!!!!!!

but, but It Only Does Everything!

 

 

 

*Conditions Apply.



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averyblund on 30 April 2010

Great to see consumers standing up for themselves. If I bought a PS3 for Linux I would be pissed as all hell. It might be Sony's design, but you bought console and it is yours. Sure you can lose PSN, but that wasn't really part of the deal when you bought it.

I think of it like taking a brand new car in to the dealer for a recall, and having them remove the (factory installed) spare tire when they return it. What is says on the box, in the ad, or on the website is the service you payed for. Removing a major feature and pretty much stealing from customers is pretty weak. Not only is it PSN, but also Blu-ray. It's like buying a PC and getting a forced update that locks you into a specific version of Windows.

Of course Sony isn't the only one to do this, Apple, MS, pretty much every company who keeps you on a constant firmware upgrade treadmill. Just the fact that anybody is pursuing this likely makes it a net loss for Sony, who lost nothing supporting it. The techsites are having a field-day throwing mud on this one, hardly the kind of PR anybody in such a competitive market needs.



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alephnull on 30 April 2010
superchunk said:
I think this is a huge waste of time and money.

If you wanted a fucking Linux computer then build a damn Linux computer! I don't even understand why you would want the PS3 as a computer anyways, the memory and setup is really crappy for a general use computer.

Maybe you don't have all the information. Just a thought.



Kasz216 on 30 April 2010
Icyedge said:
Kasz216 said:
Icyedge said:
XGamer0611 said:
This lawsuit has legs. This simple fact that Sony sold the feature and promoted it only to remove it shows they did it in their own interest. Also, the fact that the update removed the feature after the hobbyist Geohot announced he had hacked the PS3 to make backup software (pirated games). Sony was protecting their interest at the sake of the consumer. One thing that the lawsuit did not mention was the fact that people using the other OS feature could lose their data (if not backed up) if they updated to the latest update. As the update would completely make the Linux partition unavailable.

They did not removed Linux from anyone as you say. They removed PSN from people who wanna kept Linux, which is very different. So no the lawsuit dont have legs.

Uh, they didn't JUST remove PSN.  They also removed the ability to play some newer games.  You need to have updated firmware to play some newer games.  Sony says so themselves.

http://us.playstation.com/support/systemupdates/ps3/index.htm

In otherwords... you have to choose between being able to play games or not have linux.

At the moment they didnt restrict access to any normal PS3 games, if that happen then people will have reason to sue them. Sure they stated that not updating may result in unability to play games. The way I see this is as example PSMoves games or 3D games will require an update. Sony is not legally bind to give you the ability to play games using new tech and device since it didnt came with your PS3 purchase (PSmove and 3D support). Now if their lawyers are dumb enough to tell Sony to go ahead and restrict access to new normal PS3 games then go ahead and sue them because it will infact go against most countries laws.

Last I checked, new games tend to come with frimware updates and force you to update.  It happened the last time I bought a game.  I can't imagine this update will be any different.  Otherwise people who can't go online will be stuck with the "unsafe" firmware.



Icyedge on 30 April 2010
Kasz216 said:
Icyedge said:
Kasz216 said:
Icyedge said:
XGamer0611 said:
This lawsuit has legs. This simple fact that Sony sold the feature and promoted it only to remove it shows they did it in their own interest. Also, the fact that the update removed the feature after the hobbyist Geohot announced he had hacked the PS3 to make backup software (pirated games). Sony was protecting their interest at the sake of the consumer. One thing that the lawsuit did not mention was the fact that people using the other OS feature could lose their data (if not backed up) if they updated to the latest update. As the update would completely make the Linux partition unavailable.

They did not removed Linux from anyone as you say. They removed PSN from people who wanna kept Linux, which is very different. So no the lawsuit dont have legs.

Uh, they didn't JUST remove PSN.  They also removed the ability to play some newer games.  You need to have updated firmware to play some newer games.  Sony says so themselves.

http://us.playstation.com/support/systemupdates/ps3/index.htm

In otherwords... you have to choose between being able to play games or not have linux.

At the moment they didnt restrict access to any normal PS3 games, if that happen then people will have reason to sue them. Sure they stated that not updating may result in unability to play games. The way I see this is as example PSMoves games or 3D games will require an update. Sony is not legally bind to give you the ability to play games using new tech and device since it didnt came with your PS3 purchase (PSmove and 3D support). Now if their lawyers are dumb enough to tell Sony to go ahead and restrict access to new normal PS3 games then go ahead and sue them because it will infact go against most countries laws.

Last I checked, new games tend to come with frimware updates and force you to update.  It happened the last time I bought a game.  I can't imagine this update will be any different.  Otherwise people who can't go online will be stuck with the "unsafe" firmware.

 

Yes when theres a major change in the PS3 new game may ask to update. This can be easily done directly from the game disc, the update would install the necessarily files without removing Linux but you would still be unable to connect to PSN. Im sure this is what they will do because it wouldnt make sense and be illegual to force people to remove Linux for playing normal PS3. Conclusion, wait for them to do it before claiming they are illegual. Up until then, you can complaint against it and boycott their products if you want, that is our right as consumer. I dont like what they did either, but in perspective theres nothing illegual until now.



Kasz216 on 30 April 2010
Icyedge said:
Kasz216 said:
Icyedge said:
Kasz216 said:
Icyedge said:
XGamer0611 said:
This lawsuit has legs. This simple fact that Sony sold the feature and promoted it only to remove it shows they did it in their own interest. Also, the fact that the update removed the feature after the hobbyist Geohot announced he had hacked the PS3 to make backup software (pirated games). Sony was protecting their interest at the sake of the consumer. One thing that the lawsuit did not mention was the fact that people using the other OS feature could lose their data (if not backed up) if they updated to the latest update. As the update would completely make the Linux partition unavailable.

They did not removed Linux from anyone as you say. They removed PSN from people who wanna kept Linux, which is very different. So no the lawsuit dont have legs.

Uh, they didn't JUST remove PSN.  They also removed the ability to play some newer games.  You need to have updated firmware to play some newer games.  Sony says so themselves.

http://us.playstation.com/support/systemupdates/ps3/index.htm

In otherwords... you have to choose between being able to play games or not have linux.

At the moment they didnt restrict access to any normal PS3 games, if that happen then people will have reason to sue them. Sure they stated that not updating may result in unability to play games. The way I see this is as example PSMoves games or 3D games will require an update. Sony is not legally bind to give you the ability to play games using new tech and device since it didnt came with your PS3 purchase (PSmove and 3D support). Now if their lawyers are dumb enough to tell Sony to go ahead and restrict access to new normal PS3 games then go ahead and sue them because it will infact go against most countries laws.

Last I checked, new games tend to come with frimware updates and force you to update.  It happened the last time I bought a game.  I can't imagine this update will be any different.  Otherwise people who can't go online will be stuck with the "unsafe" firmware.

 

Yes when theres a major change in the PS3 new game may ask to update. This can be easily done directly from the game disc, the update would install the necessarily files without removing Linux but you would still be unable to connect to PSN. Im sure this is what they will do because it wouldnt make sense and be illegual to force people to remove Linux for playing normal PS3. Conclusion, wait for them to do it before claiming they are illegual. Up until then, you can complaint against it and boycott their products if you want, that is our right as consumer. I dont like what they did either, but in perspective theres nothing illegual until now.

Actually, it's probably still illegal.  It's just a matter of how the courts will rule it though.  Either way, they have stated 3.21 WILL be on discs.

Again..

http://us.playstation.com/support/systemupdates/ps3/index.htm