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Alby_da_Wolf said:
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Millennium said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Millennium said:
Nintendo would release its next console before Sony and Microsoft if its current console were failing. But there is no sign of this occurring, and thus it makes no business sense to do so.

Then again, they're doing exactly this with the 3DS, and that fact muddies the waters considerably. One would think that Nintendo were smart enough to not cut the knees off of a system at its peak, but this throws the whole idea of Nintendo following common sense into question.

But they could do with portables what Sony did with home consoles, keep on selling the old model for some years after the launch of the next.

Maybe they want to give 3DS the lead in portable 3D, but they know that for some time they'll have to price it too high to be mainstream, maybe the overprice is modest but they know a consistent share of users won't be willing to pay it not caring for 3D, who knows...

If Nintendo is trying to do with portables what Sony did with consoles, then Nintendo is being even more foolish than I had thought. Maintaining the PS2 may well have kept Sony alive during the PS3's dismal early history, but it was also part of the cause for that history in the first place: it took away much of Sony fans' reason to upgrade. The 3DS will suffer similarly if Nintendo keeps the DS around. When you transition from one system to the next, the break has to be a clean one.

The DS didn't suffer from Nintendo still supporting the GBA after its release.

Right. Also because people don't find money on trees, if the new system is expensive and the old one can still be sold in significant amounts at a lower price and profiting, not doing it would mean missed sales, not that people automatically buys the new and more expensive model. Different prices and the generation leap in new features and computing power are enough to make the two products cater for market segments with very little overlapping. Excessive launch price damaged PS3, now that its price is reasonable it sells well even with PS2 still on sale.

The main issue is just that Nintendo staged the new system launch correctly, while Sony didn't. This is why I believe Pokemon Black/White will have 3DS features, to give the 3DS the boost it'd need.



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The company that is always last, releases their console first......I could be wrong, cause I can't remember right now.



rafichamp said:
Wii is aging more quickly then the other 2 consoles, imagine wii's specs in 2012.

From a cold technological point of view perhaps, but actually Wii will start showing its age and lower computing and graphics power when the majority of households will have HDTVs and competitors will offer motion control on the vast majority of their SKUs: only then people still having to decide which console to buy will be able to notice more detailed graphics on competitors with Wii not having anymore the exclusivity on one of its stronger selling points (but having a SW library even wider than now, so Wii should thrive for quite a long time).



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ClaudeLv250 said:
The people that say Nintendo is going to launch first are the same ones that said the DS and Wii were a fad. In other words, they don't have a firm grip on reality.

I'm not so sure about that.

What if this happens: Sony announces that they are launching a PS3 successor, and right after, Nintendo announces a Wii successor that will launch before the PS3 sucessor.

The reason as for why this could (I mean could, I don't mean that it would) be a smart move is that Nintendo have always suffered from launching after their competitors. NES dominated more than a playstation will ever do, and yet due to allowing the Megadrive some time on the market, Sega almost beat Nintendo until DKC came out and Sega imploded after some stupid moves. Launching N64 late allowed for a window for Playstation to prove that it could sell software that wouldn't have existed if nintendo released first (third parties would probably have gravitated more towards the familiar Nintendo brand as they did with PS2). Gamecube releasing after PS2 also wasn't helpful to nintendo.

Now that Nintendo doesn't value graphics as much anymore, the one benefit for them to launch late is irrelevant. Their strength has always been their software, and since Nintendo systems usually launch with some killer Nintendo games, a Nintendo home console launching before their competitors could be more dangerous than anything we have ever seen. Especially with console sales being avalaunch based and all, and Nintendo's focus towards expanding the market would help too.

The benefits will be:

- First party games will be well-suited to sell the hardware unlike if the launch relied on unpredictable third party software.

- Focus to expand market will (hopefully) give the new platform a big install base.

- Third parties will jump on this big install base. (At least the theoretical and logical third parties would, but I'm not so sure about the real ones....)

- Competitors will have to compete against third party games AND Nintendo games.

If any company could take advantage of a first-mover's advantage properly it should be Nintendo.

Everything that's come out of Iwata's mouth regarding the next console has said that it's not coming anytime soon. Fact of the matter is that Nintendo is in a lucrative position with the Wii, and I'm pretty sure Iwata took into account competitors scrambling to jumpstart the next gen. Most of the reasons Nintendo took a beating had little to do with launch time. Besides, if Sony were to rush out a PS4 right now, it would hurt them more than it would hurt Nintendo. 



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ClaudeLv250 said:
KungKras said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
The people that say Nintendo is going to launch first are the same ones that said the DS and Wii were a fad. In other words, they don't have a firm grip on reality.

I'm not so sure about that.

What if this happens: Sony announces that they are launching a PS3 successor, and right after, Nintendo announces a Wii successor that will launch before the PS3 sucessor.

The reason as for why this could (I mean could, I don't mean that it would) be a smart move is that Nintendo have always suffered from launching after their competitors. NES dominated more than a playstation will ever do, and yet due to allowing the Megadrive some time on the market, Sega almost beat Nintendo until DKC came out and Sega imploded after some stupid moves. Launching N64 late allowed for a window for Playstation to prove that it could sell software that wouldn't have existed if nintendo released first (third parties would probably have gravitated more towards the familiar Nintendo brand as they did with PS2). Gamecube releasing after PS2 also wasn't helpful to nintendo.

Now that Nintendo doesn't value graphics as much anymore, the one benefit for them to launch late is irrelevant. Their strength has always been their software, and since Nintendo systems usually launch with some killer Nintendo games, a Nintendo home console launching before their competitors could be more dangerous than anything we have ever seen. Especially with console sales being avalaunch based and all, and Nintendo's focus towards expanding the market would help too.

The benefits will be:

- First party games will be well-suited to sell the hardware unlike if the launch relied on unpredictable third party software.

- Focus to expand market will (hopefully) give the new platform a big install base.

- Third parties will jump on this big install base. (At least the theoretical and logical third parties would, but I'm not so sure about the real ones....)

- Competitors will have to compete against third party games AND Nintendo games.

If any company could take advantage of a first-mover's advantage properly it should be Nintendo.

Everything that's come out of Iwata's mouth regarding the next console has said that it's not coming anytime soon. Fact of the matter is that Nintendo is in a lucrative position with the Wii, and I'm pretty sure Iwata took into account competitors scrambling to jumpstart the next gen. Most of the reasons Nintendo took a beating had little to do with launch time. Besides, if Sony were to rush out a PS4 right now, it would hurt them more than it would hurt Nintendo. 

I'm not talking about anytime soon. I'm talking about when the interrest for current-gen consoles starts to fade. Like late 2011 or 2012.

I still think a Wii successor launched before the competitiors could be a winning move. But then some other factors would have to be taken into the equation as well, like what the new system is offering.



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Jay520 said:

It seems like most people think that Nintendo will release their next console before Sony & Microsoft. I just don't understand that. If anything, they would release their console after Sony & Microsoft. If a console is so successful, why wouldn't you just let it keep selling.  Am I missing something. I don't understand a lot of things, but this just doesn't make sense to me. I know it's going to be out of date but that hasn't stopped from selling 20+mil a year. Please, enlighten me.


looks like sony part two to me. I don't think nintendo would want to support two home consoles and three different types of handhelds. its just not them. but i do haft to say if there goal is to beat ps2 then they will haft to continue to support the wii. and none like sony. i don't think nintendo will give up there cash cow so easly.

lets look a little further into the future.

2011 sales predictions

Wii 116m

ps3 108 to 120m

360 80 to110m



80 million PS3s to sell in the next 18 months, against 35m Wiis?

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MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Jay520 said:

It seems like most people think that Nintendo will release their next console before Sony & Microsoft. I just don't understand that. If anything, they would release their console after Sony & Microsoft. If a console is so successful, why wouldn't you just let it keep selling.  Am I missing something. I don't understand a lot of things, but this just doesn't make sense to me. I know it's going to be out of date but that hasn't stopped from selling 20+mil a year. Please, enlighten me.


looks like sony part two to me. I don't think nintendo would want to support two home consoles and three different types of handhelds. its just not them. but i do haft to say if there goal is to beat ps2 then they will haft to continue to support the wii. and none like sony. i don't think nintendo will give up there cash cow so easly.

lets look a little further into the future.

2011 sales predictions

Wii 116m

ps3 108 to 120m

360 80 to110m

The ps3 has to sell around 1.5 million every week to get to that number in 2011.




              

MARCUSDJACKSON said:

lets look a little further into the future.

2011 sales predictions

Wii 116m

ps3 108 to 120m

 

This number is a bold prediction isn't it?



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Why would Nintendo announce and probably release the 3DS this year when the DS is still doing incredibly well (better than the Wii right now)? I don't think everyone in here have Nintendo figured out as well as they think.
I don't either, of course, but its worth to reflect upon. If anything, the recent 3DS coverage shows that Nintendo are not above launching a new console while the current one(s) is still in a favorable position, the DS is the most successful console in history after all. The DS is on safer ground than the Wii in a few ways with its higher installed base, the massive market share and incredible 3rd party support and still blazing sales but is due for replacing (seemingly, at least according to Nintendo themselves) and the implementation of 3D shows that Nintendo is not above following trends and development either, further strengthening my belief that they will not be slow to release their next console if only for the simple reason they don't want to be left behind (we saw how much Sony's delays cost them in the end teamed with the price of course). The PS2 was doing superbly, better than any other home console in history but that didn't stop Sony from developing and planning to launch their next console at the same time as the others. People in here love looking at the past and impose it on the current generation for beneficial purposes (in fact, the PS2 is often used to demonstrate the Wii's success) but the past also shows that the market leader is not above launching at the same time as others. The notion that Nintendo will launch first is arguably silly, there's not much supporting such a claim but as mentioned above; the 3DS comes at a time where the DS is still reigning supreme (a lot more so than the Wii ever has and ever will) and there's still no good word on a PSP2 (yes, the PSP launched later, we all know that but that's not the point) as of yet. There is also the point that developers would not want to be stuck making games for a console that is effectively two generations behind the current hardware standards, which will surely force Nintendo's hand somewhat given their less than optimal relations with 3rd parties on their home consoles.

Yes, there are those who think that Wii sales will suddenly drop drastically but there are even more people who seem to resent the notion that Nintendo won't do exactly what they want them to and think they'll do; keep the Wii alive a lot longer than its competitors.

Personally, I don't think Nintendo will launch their next console before the others but I don't think they'll launch it later either and I remain sure that this generation will be much shorter than people expect (a lot of folks see this gen lasting ten years, I do not, 6-7 at the most).



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