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i said it three times. If done right this gen could end in 2020.

i think nintendo and microsoft can do it. but it would only be four more yr's for the ps3. hey its possible!



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scottie said:
Squilliam said:
scottie said:
Squilliam said:


I understand, but given the paradigm shift to gaining relatively high margins on the device itself, I cannot see them wanting to continue selling a relatively low margin $100-150 Wii alongside the N7. In addition to that they probably wouldn't want to keep a console on market for the issues of the complexity to support circa 2000 technology 12 years after release with software.

Who would buy a $150 Wii when you could get a $200-$250 N7 with 30* the performance and with whatever new innovative features they might add?

 

High margins on hardware is hardly a paradigm shift. Infact one could argue that if one does a thing for their entire existence (yes, even when they sold card they made a good profit on the hardware), then continues to do it, it is exactly the opposite of a paradigm shift

 

I would certainly buy a $250 N7 over a $100 Wii, as would most of the people on this or any other forum. However, a lot of people would choose the much cheaper option. Like the PS2, the Wii will continue to get the Guitar Heroes and maddens for a long time, and it will have a massive backlog of extended audience Nintendo games

 

Also, 30 tiems the power of the Wii for the N7? Really Squilliam?

Sorry, not a paradigm shift but I couldn't think of anything better to call it.

Why would anyone buy a Wii when they can get a system which plays all the Wii titles, upscales them, plugs into the TV via HDMI and plays all the newer titles for merely 2.5 times as much What does Nintendo get out of it? They get lower margins and no fringe benefits for market share and 3rd party attention in the next generation. It simply doesn't make sense outside of the third world to release a console with such low margins which competes against their own higher margin products.

Yep and I stand by the 30* stance I made. The PS2 was 6.2 Gflops peak and the PS3 is >150 Gflops peak which is about a 30* increase. Since the PS3 has 600M transistors, they ought to be able to fit ~1.2B transistors into ~100mm^2 on the 28nm process at Global Foundries which translates into roughly double the performance and probably more in real world scenarios due to much greater efficiency per transistor, high memory bandwidth etc.

*travels back to the days when PS3's were backwards compatible*

 

Why would anyone buy a PS2 when they can get a system which plays all the PS2 titles, upscales them, plugs into the TV via HDMI and plays all the newer titles for merely 2.67 times as much. What does Sony get out of it? **They get lower margins** and no fringe benefits for market share and 3rd party attention in the next generation. It simply doesn't make sense outside of the third world to release a console with such low margins which competes against their own higher margin products.

 

 

** This is incorrect for the PS3/PS2 situation, why would it be the case for the Wii2/Wii situation?**

Nintendo won't launch their next system for 600 while the current one is selling for 129 had the ps3 been 300 i'm sure the ps2 sales would have dried up much faster



valen200 said:
HappySqurriel said:

As has already been said, it depends on what you mean by "how long does each console have left on the market?"

I could be wrong but I expect that you will have Nintendo or Microsoft releasing a new console in 2011 or 2012, and the remaining manufacturers will release their next console the following year.

All three consoles have sold enough hardware that (as long as their next generation system is backwards compatible) I suspect there will still be games on store shelves for these systems until 2015 at the earliest; and the Wii might still have software in stores (mostly in bargain bins) for a few years after that.

While many people will probably disagree with me, I think that the PS3 has the greatest risk of rapidly declining hardware sales after the next generation of consoles is released. Unless the PS3 continues to see rapid large price reductions, the PS3 could still be a relatively expensive console which has less processing power, features and is simply “less cool” in comparison to the new consoles; and that makes the PS3 a difficult sell to a lot of consumers. Systems like the Playstation, PS2, Gameboy/Gameboy Color, and Gameboy Advance were able to see decent sales for several years after their successor was released in a large part because they were such cost-effective gaming; many of these systems could be bought for $100 (or less) and you could pick up a massive collection of games (both new and used) for $5 to $20 a piece.

Well with the Xbox to 360 transition Microsoft just quit making the system to encourage upgradeing. Now this gen they have performed much  better overall, so maybe they won't try something similar but I do think it is possible Microsfot might try to force an upgrade again by stopping the 360 production. I could see the 360 thriving like the Ps2 at 100 dollars for several years, if microsoft felt inclinded to do so.

otherwise I agree with what you said.

 

Ps2s are still on the shelf after all this time. $100 dollar systems with a good library can fair quite well.

 

 

The PS2 lasted well into the next generation because it was cheap in addition to having mass appeal due in large part to a gaming library that featured something for everyone.

 

The Xbox 360 and its game library appeal almost exclusively to core and hardcore gamers, and that's just one segment of the market. Not only that, but most of those gamers are going to jump into the next generation as soon as a successor is released to market.

None of the people buying PS2's over the last few years have been hardcore gamers. They were "casual" gamers who found it appealing because it game them a decent gaming experience for cheap.

 

 

 



 

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MARCUSDJACKSON said:
i said it three times. If done right this gen could end in 2020.

 

lol no its really not in any way shape or form ever going to last that long, a large part of gaming has been the advancement in visuals and its been this way for decades.

if ps3 and 360 hold this hardware for even three more years it will be completely obsolete and they are presently already holding back what is possible, i play every type of genre from mmos to iphone games and one thing i absolutely love is when graphics, physics and size of gameplay is pushed further and further, current hardware in consoles is static and becoming a thorn in that area.

another thing is many of us specifically bought 1080p hdtv sets to view movies, shows and games in 1080p so far the only gaming platform that is using our 1080p sets to the fullest is the pc , so again consoles are behind in terms of tech, also wouldnt you like to play shooters or open world games in 60fps in native 1080p? i sure as hell would and im getting sick of lag and blurry textures and 30fps (or lower) and terrible draw distance, its kinda why ive been buying more pc games the games look and play so much better.

i say release them the sooner the better and maybe next gen they can finally have an upgradeable console



flowjo said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
i said it three times. If done right this gen could end in 2020.

 

lol no its really not in any way shape or form ever going to last that long, a large part of gaming has been the advancement in visuals and its been this way for decades.

if ps3 and 360 hold this hardware for even three more years it will be completely obsolete and they are presently already holding back what is possible, i play every type of genre from mmos to iphone games and one thing i absolutely love is when graphics, physics and size of gameplay is pushed further and further, current hardware in consoles is static and becoming a thorn in that area.

another thing is many of us specifically bought 1080p hdtv sets to view movies, shows and games in 1080p so far the only gaming platform that is using our 1080p sets to the fullest is the pc , so again consoles are behind in terms of tech, also wouldnt you like to play shooters or open world games in 60fps in native 1080p? i sure as hell would and im getting sick of lag and blurry textures and 30fps (or lower) and terrible draw distance, its kinda why ive been buying more pc games the games look and play so much better.

i say release them the sooner the better and maybe next gen they can finally have an upgradeable console


point taken. so do you think theres anything left in these two consoles?



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in two years the consoles wont have a market to begin with.



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Nintendo sees that Wii is the best selling Nintendo system ever and will think " ahh well let this one go for a few more years since it's treading much better than out previous serpents". Could see a new Nintendo system in 2012-2013.



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Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:

The Wii is selling mainly from Nintendo support. Not the 3rd party support like SNES, PSone, PS2...

With poor 3rd party support on Wii (when compared to other consoles), and with Nintendo focusing on N6, i can't see there being THAT much more interest in Wii for new buyers... As the next "Wii Sports", "Wii Fit", Mario... Will all be releasing on the next console.

Again, this thinking is almost entirely debunked by GBA.  That platform has worse 3rd party support than Wii does, and lived a healthy 3 years after DS launched on the back of Nintendo support almost single handedly.  Would you like me to repost the list I made for in that other thread Carl?

If you want to... But i really wouldn't care and probably wouldn't even read it.

Because the GBA isn't the Wii. And the audience that was on the GBA, isn't the same as the one that's on the Wii.

And yet, GBA still shows exactly how Nintendo likes to wind down a successful platform with shit 3rd party support, with big games coming for years after it's successor.  They did the same with SNES, and the same with NES, even though those were bursting with 3rd party support.  Hell, they even brought Game Boy back from the dead after Virtual Boy flopped, Nintendo, more than Sony even, seems to enjoy stretching out lifespans whenever possible.

Something tells me Wii won't be the magical exception to Nintendo's entire history.  And unlike PS3 or 360, it actually has the consumer support and confidence to last 10 years on shelves....

 



flowjo said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
i said it three times. If done right this gen could end in 2020.

 

lol no its really not in any way shape or form ever going to last that long, a large part of gaming has been the advancement in visuals and its been this way for decades.

if ps3 and 360 hold this hardware for even three more years it will be completely obsolete and they are presently already holding back what is possible, i play every type of genre from mmos to iphone games and one thing i absolutely love is when graphics, physics and size of gameplay is pushed further and further, current hardware in consoles is static and becoming a thorn in that area.

another thing is many of us specifically bought 1080p hdtv sets to view movies, shows and games in 1080p so far the only gaming platform that is using our 1080p sets to the fullest is the pc , so again consoles are behind in terms of tech, also wouldnt you like to play shooters or open world games in 60fps in native 1080p? i sure as hell would and im getting sick of lag and blurry textures and 30fps (or lower) and terrible draw distance, its kinda why ive been buying more pc games the games look and play so much better.

i say release them the sooner the better and maybe next gen they can finally have an upgradeable console

While I agree that there is realistically no chance that the current consoles will be around in 2020, I completely disagree with your reasoning. Generally speaking the more powerful consoles in a generation have performed far worse than their less powerful counterparts. Previously this has been explained away by claiming that strong third party support compensated for lack of processing power, but the success of the Wii (a less powerful system with much weaker third party support) demonstrates that processing power and third party support are not the main factors in driving sales that people think that they are.

What drives system adoption is new (and better) gaming experiences which can come from processing power, having the bulk of third party support, new user interfaces, or from a cultural shift making videogame a more social experience. While there have been great 4 player experiences since the N64, the Wii’s accessible controls took this to the next level because everyone (from your 3 year old nephew to your 85 year old grandmother) could play games together.

Although the improvement in processing power at an affordable price has been dramatic, I think the more important considerations to the next generation of consoles is how other technologies have developed to be at a quality and cost level where they could be incorporated into a gaming system. My assumption that the next generation console from Nintendo will blur the lines between digital and physical space has me looking at a lot of technologies, and digital cameras, projectors (including small LCD projectors and mono/two-tone laser systems), and focused sound systems are all becoming very affordable.

 

The problem all current consoles face is that it is difficult (nearly impossible) to change the social-meaning of a console mid cycle; so even if they have all the processing power they need, it is unlikely that they could produce the gameplay enhancement they need to maintain relevance if it requires add-ons or is conceptually different from what they have already produced.



jarrod said:
valen200 said:
HappySqurriel said:

As has already been said, it depends on what you mean by "how long does each console have left on the market?"

I could be wrong but I expect that you will have Nintendo or Microsoft releasing a new console in 2011 or 2012, and the remaining manufacturers will release their next console the following year.

All three consoles have sold enough hardware that (as long as their next generation system is backwards compatible) I suspect there will still be games on store shelves for these systems until 2015 at the earliest; and the Wii might still have software in stores (mostly in bargain bins) for a few years after that.

While many people will probably disagree with me, I think that the PS3 has the greatest risk of rapidly declining hardware sales after the next generation of consoles is released. Unless the PS3 continues to see rapid large price reductions, the PS3 could still be a relatively expensive console which has less processing power, features and is simply “less cool” in comparison to the new consoles; and that makes the PS3 a difficult sell to a lot of consumers. Systems like the Playstation, PS2, Gameboy/Gameboy Color, and Gameboy Advance were able to see decent sales for several years after their successor was released in a large part because they were such cost-effective gaming; many of these systems could be bought for $100 (or less) and you could pick up a massive collection of games (both new and used) for $5 to $20 a piece.

Well with the Xbox to 360 transition Microsoft just quit making the system to encourage upgradeing. Now this gen they have performed much  better overall, so maybe they won't try something similar but I do think it is possible Microsfot might try to force an upgrade again by stopping the 360 production. I could see the 360 thriving like the Ps2 at 100 dollars for several years, if microsoft felt inclinded to do so.

otherwise I agree with what you said.

 

Ps2s are still on the shelf after all this time. $100 dollar systems with a good library can fair quite well.

 

No, they killed Xbox 1 because they were still taking a loss on each unit due to nVidia royalties.  The market actually wanted Xbox to last longer, and consoles started getting scarce and selling at a premium by mid 2006.

Microsoft's in an entirely different position with 360.  They make money on the hardware, they own all the chips, they're the defatco lead platform for the industry and they're strongly ahead of PlayStation in the west.

Defacto Lead Platform? Is that a fancy term for second place? Besides  the PS3 has been doing well lately. The 360 is in a much stronger spot than last time, but as the PS3 continues to gain it's position gradually get worse.  If the 360 does not reassert dominance (as it might with Natal) it becomes in Mirosocts's best interests to start the next gen sooner.



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