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big_boss on 20 April 2010
TaichungSteve said:
big_boss said:
TaichungSteve said:
big_boss said:
TaichungSteve said:
Graphics have always mattered, up to a certain point. Both Gamecube and Xbox were more powerful graphically than PS2, but the PS2 had visuals that were good enough for the majority of consumers. For that same majority of consumers, the level that was achieved last Gen is still, for the most part, good enough. Just look at the rise of Facebook games and other platforms like the Ipod. None of those offer graphic quality near that of the PS2, but that hasn't stopped them.
Graphic quality has reached a level where it is good enough for most people, that is why it's not as important this generation.

I'm sorry but I doubt people spend the amount of time that I do on console games on Ipad and facebook games to know if graphics are good enough. I put in 42 straight hours in Mass Effect 2 but if it looked and played like a Ipad game I would play for maybe 30 minutes. The graphics are good enough for causal gamers but not me and its just as important as gameplay and story for most gamers.

You are not the market, they are; and they are getting bigger.

And, how the hell do you spend forty-two hours straight playing a game? The only thing I've ever managed to do for forty two hours straight is breathe.

Yeah your right they are a market but there games aren't $60 ether. So as long as millions shell out $60 for a game, our market won't disappear any time soon. As for the second part, I used a PH and RO'd two days off to play it.

Their games generally don't cost multiple millions to make, either. 

No, your market is going away anytime soon, but the other market is completely viable as well, as different markets serve different needs.

I'm not familiar with that acronym, what is a PH? Personal Health day, like a sick day?

Finding the time wasn't really the big issue for me, as 42 hours could easily just filled up an entire weekend if that's what you chose to do, it was the actual stamina involved in participating in any single activity for 42 hours straight. I'm assuming you stopped to eat at some point, or at least had some (hopefully healthy and nutritious) snacks on hand, but no sleeping? No getting up and stretching, moving around, getting the blood flowing? That's not easy to do, physically.


No I lost three pounds and I was dehydrated somewhat ( seeing things that weren't there) but if a video game employee watched me play I would have broke a GB world record. A PH is personal holiday.

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JerzeeBalla on 20 April 2010
jarrod said:
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I hate to break the general direction of this thread, but its funny to me how graphics always seemed to matter until this gen. 

Careful with making absolutes like that. Smartasses like me will always poke holes in it by finding exceptions to the rule. <3

Well played sir.

I didnt mean to state it as a fact, but it seems to be a growing trend among Nintendo fans. Not all, but some. I might be reading too much into it, but I see a fair amount of "graphics bashing" this gen as if devs shouldnt want to make good looking games. Just because a game achieves a high level of visuals, it doesnt mean its automatically shallow or generic. But its like some Wii fans refuse to admit that there are fun and original experiences on the competing consoles. Just not as many due to devs following what seems to work. I believe if Nintendo's games were as easy to mimic as the high selling HD games seem to be, the Wii would have the same stigma. Luckily for Nintendo, their games cant be duplicated. Many have tried, none have succeeded.

Granted, I'll be first in line for a Wii HD/2/Zii/whatever.  I adore my 360, and those unprezed Dolphin shots and videos of stuff like Mario Galaxy makes my loins ache and hope it comes sooner than later (or I may just have to upgrade my PC).  I love great graphics, but I don't totally feel the best Wii games don't have them per se and even at only 480p, a 60 fps game like Galaxy still looks stunning on my Samsung LCD.  Muramasa's a wonder in motion.  Monster Hunter Tri's a revelation.  Being on Wii doesn't mean you can't be good looking.

Oh I agree. Im no Wii expert, and I havent seen the games you listed besides Galaxy. But Galaxy looked great even though I didnt like it much. So does Tatsunoko vs Capcom. Smash Bros Brawl looked great as well. I have no problem with the graphics of the Wii. I just hate how some Wii owners like to insult gamers like myself by claiming we only want generic experiences because we dont choose to play the Wii. Just like Im sure Wii owners hate being insulted and stereotyped as well. I would play mine more but my daughter fell in love with it and she doesnt live with me. So its at her house. I play it with her when Im there.



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TaichungSteve on 20 April 2010
big_boss said:
TaichungSteve said:
big_boss said:
TaichungSteve said:
big_boss said:
TaichungSteve said:
Graphics have always mattered, up to a certain point. Both Gamecube and Xbox were more powerful graphically than PS2, but the PS2 had visuals that were good enough for the majority of consumers. For that same majority of consumers, the level that was achieved last Gen is still, for the most part, good enough. Just look at the rise of Facebook games and other platforms like the Ipod. None of those offer graphic quality near that of the PS2, but that hasn't stopped them.
Graphic quality has reached a level where it is good enough for most people, that is why it's not as important this generation.

I'm sorry but I doubt people spend the amount of time that I do on console games on Ipad and facebook games to know if graphics are good enough. I put in 42 straight hours in Mass Effect 2 but if it looked and played like a Ipad game I would play for maybe 30 minutes. The graphics are good enough for causal gamers but not me and its just as important as gameplay and story for most gamers.

You are not the market, they are; and they are getting bigger.

And, how the hell do you spend forty-two hours straight playing a game? The only thing I've ever managed to do for forty two hours straight is breathe.

Yeah your right they are a market but there games aren't $60 ether. So as long as millions shell out $60 for a game, our market won't disappear any time soon. As for the second part, I used a PH and RO'd two days off to play it.

Their games generally don't cost multiple millions to make, either. 

No, your market is going away anytime soon, but the other market is completely viable as well, as different markets serve different needs.

I'm not familiar with that acronym, what is a PH? Personal Health day, like a sick day?

Finding the time wasn't really the big issue for me, as 42 hours could easily just filled up an entire weekend if that's what you chose to do, it was the actual stamina involved in participating in any single activity for 42 hours straight. I'm assuming you stopped to eat at some point, or at least had some (hopefully healthy and nutritious) snacks on hand, but no sleeping? No getting up and stretching, moving around, getting the blood flowing? That's not easy to do, physically.

No I lost three pounds and I was dehydrated somewhat ( seeing things that weren't there) but if a video game employee watched me play I would have broke a GB world record. A PH is personal holiday.

Damn. Well, maybe that's something to look into, eh? A world record would be something cool to hang your hat on. Although, judging from the hallucinations and whatnot, I'm guessing it's not exactly something you'd be willing to jump into and try again.



big_boss on 20 April 2010
TaichungSteve said:
big_boss said:
TaichungSteve said:
big_boss said:
TaichungSteve said:
big_boss said:
TaichungSteve said:
Graphics have always mattered, up to a certain point. Both Gamecube and Xbox were more powerful graphically than PS2, but the PS2 had visuals that were good enough for the majority of consumers. For that same majority of consumers, the level that was achieved last Gen is still, for the most part, good enough. Just look at the rise of Facebook games and other platforms like the Ipod. None of those offer graphic quality near that of the PS2, but that hasn't stopped them.
Graphic quality has reached a level where it is good enough for most people, that is why it's not as important this generation.

I'm sorry but I doubt people spend the amount of time that I do on console games on Ipad and facebook games to know if graphics are good enough. I put in 42 straight hours in Mass Effect 2 but if it looked and played like a Ipad game I would play for maybe 30 minutes. The graphics are good enough for causal gamers but not me and its just as important as gameplay and story for most gamers.

You are not the market, they are; and they are getting bigger.

And, how the hell do you spend forty-two hours straight playing a game? The only thing I've ever managed to do for forty two hours straight is breathe.

Yeah your right they are a market but there games aren't $60 ether. So as long as millions shell out $60 for a game, our market won't disappear any time soon. As for the second part, I used a PH and RO'd two days off to play it.

Their games generally don't cost multiple millions to make, either. 

No, your market is going away anytime soon, but the other market is completely viable as well, as different markets serve different needs.

I'm not familiar with that acronym, what is a PH? Personal Health day, like a sick day?

Finding the time wasn't really the big issue for me, as 42 hours could easily just filled up an entire weekend if that's what you chose to do, it was the actual stamina involved in participating in any single activity for 42 hours straight. I'm assuming you stopped to eat at some point, or at least had some (hopefully healthy and nutritious) snacks on hand, but no sleeping? No getting up and stretching, moving around, getting the blood flowing? That's not easy to do, physically.

No I lost three pounds and I was dehydrated somewhat ( seeing things that weren't there) but if a video game employee watched me play I would have broke a GB world record. A PH is personal holiday.

Damn. Well, maybe that's something to look into, eh? A world record would be something cool to hang your hat on. Although, judging from the hallucinations and whatnot, I'm guessing it's not exactly something you'd be willing to jump into and try again.


I did actually, I sent a video and photos and written statements to GB but they told me that one of the two witnesses had to be a " Video game professional". So I didn't get it.

GamerTag/PSN ID JoshmyersBV (please add me I have 2 friends on Xbox Live)

wichdog69 on 20 April 2010

.............. ok.............



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Xoj on 20 April 2010

you know guys HD games aren't only graphics, they good better story , and they are also fun to play.
that's the problem with the wii,
out of 3, only have it's fun to play.
though i don't agree with everything he said, it's true nintendo it's enjoying their money of wii fit sales, and there is not much sign they will improve the other 2 soon.



Metallicube on 20 April 2010

If you think graphics are the most important thing for games, you should really rethink you're priorities, and you really have no business being a Nintendo fan. Also, don't blame Nintendo for your shallow tastes and your short sightedness.

Just because they don't appeal to you, doesn't mean they haven't "come back to the gamer." Hate to break this to you, but you don't = all gamers.

Many gamers currently enjoying games like Mario Galaxy, NSMB Wii, Mario Kart Wii, Monster Hunter Tri, RE:4, Metroid Prime Trilogy, Little King's Story, Wii Sports Resort, Red Steel 2, Super Smash Bros: Brawl, Legend of Zelda: TP, and countless others would disagree with you that they have abandoned gamers.



bdbdbd on 20 April 2010

Looking at OP's nick, i had a good laugh.

Anyway, the rant got old already in 2007. We all know everyone owned GC last gen and N64 before that and now nobody buys Wiis because of its graphics.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

SnesTea on 20 April 2010

I remember I made a thread like this once.



Hephaestos on 20 April 2010

as you said, you sat out the gen, thus you don't play much of the games and base yourself on screenshots and vids... so yeah HD looks better, good deduction...



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