Pokemon games are known to sell millions upon millions of copies.  With the latest pokemon game likely to break 10-15 million LTD figures, you are left to wonder, what pokemon game hasn't sold atleast 5 million copies? To my suprise.. my favorite console pokemon games Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD(which barely broke a million copies) sold horribly compared to every other pokemon game.

It's kinda sad since those game's in my opinion actually brought innovations to the series, and delivered a more dark/mature storyline which tends to never be touched in a pokemon game. So why did they sell so poorly? Is it because it was on the worst selling nintendo system ever? Or what? What do you guys think? Was it your favorite console pokemon game?

Ehhhh, they were both average games in my opinion, and I'm a huuuuuge pokemon fan. Can't forget that they were released on the third place console of the generation.

Innovations? Not quite. Just a different story line really. Everything was a double battle and catching other trainers' pokemon really wasn't "innovative", just new to the series.

Overall, they were ok games and they sold as such.

XD just wasn't that fun, coming from a huge pokemon fan

Colloseum was ok I guess...

The premise was there. The execution and polish wasn't. Colloseum sold relatively well because of its name aka Stadium but bigger and better but it was Genius Sonority's version of Pokémon and that wasn't what the fans wanted. If it were a game by Game Freak, I'm sure it would a bigger success though very different from the games we know.

I still don't see why people want a 'LOL GRIMDARK IS BESTEST' Pokémon anyway. Pokémon was never created with Grimdark in mind. You would sacrifice very much the atmosphere and setting that Pokémon has been beloved for up to this point because of it.

I wouldn't call the games gems at all. In fact, I'd call them subpar, even for non-Nintendo games. But as Pokemon games, they were just inexcusable. Missing entire game mechanics that normal Pokemon games did. As well as tons of glitches, slow animations and loading times. As has been the history of the 3D Pokemon games aside from the Stadium games on the N64.

A 'darker storyline' and 3D graphics can't cover up missing features and bad game design. Which those games had in spades. And frankly, a console Pokemon game should just allow you to either connect Pokemon to the game and battle them in 3D or be something completely different than the handheld games. Yet the string of console based Pokemon games we have gotten has failed this on all counts. With the the most recent Pokemon Battle Colosseum being the weakest and most watered-down of all the console based Pokemon games.

I find it rather curious that you say Battle Revolution the weakest console Pokémon game yet you say a console Pokémon should allow you to connect Pokémon to the game.  Battle Revolution was a rush-job but I feel you should be more elaborate.

i disliked Colossuem, it toke too much time to do simple things and it was very boring and uninspiring, it didn't feel like a pokemon game and the awkward animations and lame art style was well lame, the "shadow" pokemon a gimmick that shouldn't exist again (it doesn't exist now right?), didn't play XD though

I looooooved all 3 console Pokemons, me and my brothers played the hell outta of them. The only annoying issues was the majority terrible choices of Pokemon you had to sit through.

Notice I also said they also shouldn't be 'missing entire game mechanics the normal Pokemon games have' as well as have 'tons of glitches, slow animations and load times'.  Which Pokemon Battle Colosseum was the worst offender of all of these for.  Limiting your party to 4 Pokemon, only certain held items, banning tons of Pokemon, making Status effects last INDEFINITELY, allowing Pokemon to be swappable mid battle with no penalties....the list of problems with the game are endless and further shift the balance towards certain Pokemon and moves even worse.

You may have partially answered your own question right there.