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Forums - Sony Discussion - What did the PS3 do that the Wii and/or XBox 360 copied?

thismeintiel on 22 April 2010
Kage848 said:
thismeintiel said:
Kage848 said:
TheWon said:

What was that stick in the dam middle of the N64 controller? Mario the first 3d platformer game used it and started it.
Also the Rumble Pak was on the market in April of 97. Dualshock was on the market in May 98. Sony only showed it off in late 97.
His statement about making it popular isn't really accurate either.
I say give the people who invented their due, but it's clear Sony has been on Nintendo dick.
Sense day one after they got but hurt about the SNES addon deal.

The only thing Sony has really pioneer is making us pay high prices for systems.
Never mind 3DO, and Neo Geo beat them to that too. Poor Sony always playing Michael Jackson to Nintendo's Elvis!

Thank you. now I don't have to respond to his BS post at all.

Only reason I said it don't count unless it get popular is becasue non of this tech is new. The inovation comes from taking the tech and making it work for the consumer. The Atari 5200 had a, kinda, analog stick on it I think. But It was the N64 that made it work. And Sony stole that shit faster than you can blink.

And how is my comment BS?  I swear the internet is filled with people who can't debate worth a crap.  It's not about presenting your side and backing it up with facts.  It's now about calling people and their opinions BS and instead of facts, we worry about who got "owned."  The fact remains, you can't credit Nintendo with the advancement of analog, when they used only one stick (as opposed to the two everyone uses now) and for the fact that said stick was digital, not analog.  If you can't admit to that, then I just feel sorry for you.

As for the rumble statement, like I said in an earlier comment, you need to look at the Dual Analog (it included internal rumble), which launched the exact same month as the rumble pak in Japan, April of '97.  Care to explain how Sony copied them then?  And why people use internal rumble now like Sony did, as opposed to a rumble pak?

Ok I have just done some research and you were right about Nintendo's stick not being truely analog. "While it was still a digital stick, not an analog one (one that operated on the same principles as a mechanical computer mouse), the Nintendo 64's Control stick still allowed for a great deal of varying levels of pressure and near-360-degree control, translating into far more precise movements than was possible with a D-pad" But it was basicly the same thing and Nintendo had it first. Oh and the fact it wasent dual? I never claimed it was. As a matter of fact I think I gave credit to Sony for the DA layout in one of my earlyer posts.

As for rumble. The best I have read states that "The original Rumble Pak, designed for the Nintendo 64 controller, was released in April 1997 in Japan, July 1997 in North America, and October 1997 in Europe----and ---The DualShock was introduced in Japan in late 1997, and launched in the North American market in May 1998...

Now idk how accurate thoes facts are...But if you have someone saying they came out at diffrent times please let me know. My facts are from wiki, i know not the most reliable...pls link yours.

@Icyedge:

 

I never said the most popular one counts. I said if it was popular. And the n64, ~35m units sold, was popular. There for Nintendo made the thumb stick and rumble pack "work" for the first time. Thats all i ment by that.

My source is the same Wikipedia.  However, you looked up the Dual Shock.  There was a different version known as the Dual Analog.  It was the same basic design, with slight variations. 

It was launched in April of '97 in Japan and featured rumble.  However, the rumble was dropped for the other regions.  Sony officially said it was because they were mostly focused on the analog tech.  But, most people believe it was due to patents owned by Immersion outside of Japan.  I'm guessing that they just said screw it with the Dual Shock, as it featured the same tech.  They were eventually sued by Immersion and lost. 

Here's the link for the article about the Dual Analog: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_Analog_Controller

As well as an article from Joystiq that features a scan of an excerpt from PSM talking about the removal of the rumble feature: http://www.joystiq.com/2006/07/10/sony-pulled-rumble-from-psone-controllers/

BTW, it's good to see you be accepting with new info.  Maybe I shouldn't lose hope in humanity afterall.