ATI ships 6 million DX11 cards

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disolitude said:
Can someone explain to me why Nvidia dropped the ball with the GTX480?

I've looked at benchmarks and its easily the most powerful single GPU DX11 card.
We all know the issues that come about with dual GPU setups so I think being a single GPU is a plus. While its ~50-70 bucks more than ATI's closest single GPU card (5870)...it runs ~25% faster on most game benchmarks I've seen...

Like I use the Nvidia 3D vision so I am kind of stuck to Nvidias cards...but even that aside...I'd buy one if I could ...but they are sold out.

Hell I'm even thinking about getting a GTX470 which at $349 comes off as a great bargain.

I'm thinking that GTX470 in SLI would most likely rape the 5970 and cost the same or less.

Two issues - performance and power.

On performance, the consensus is that it is about 10% faster on average, varying between slower in half the games and 20%+ faster in the other half. The review sites I trust (Tech Report and Anandtech) conclude 'no convincing lead' and '10 to 15% faster' respectively. I haven't seen any neutral site claim a consistent 25%+ average on real games, maybe on synthetic tesselation demos that's true.

This is over seven months later and yet Nvidia hasn't delivered a better value proposition than AMD, merely an equal one at best. If you waited this long in the hope of real competition to push prices down or deliver a jump in performance you would be disappointed.

The cards are not avalable at RRP to anyone, and if the <10,000 cards shipped is accurate then they never will be. AMD had shortages, but that was due to genuine demand and they shipped several hundred thousand cards in the first week and people got cards on launch day. This was a paper launch, barely anyone has cards yet. Nvidia won't make any more because yields are abysmal, so the 480 and probably the 470 are all but vapourware.

On power, it is a monster. This translates into very high temps and noise, and is as much of a downside as the dual-card scaling is (which few reviews have said is really bad, it's mostly Nvidia fans that have claimed it, without numbers to back it up. If it was a real problem I'd expect more articles from the neutral sites on it). And if you can accept the temps/noise/power, especially of the 480, then Crossfire will get higher performance with that power use anyway.

A single GTX 470 performs like a 5850 according to most reviews I've seen, so in SLI they should match a 5970, not really beat it. But the power and noise would be far too much for anyone to be comfortable with. And you get those CF/SLI issues you just mentioned, so AMD doesn't have a downside there and you might as well get dual 5850s.


But the single most important thing I'd like to say is that this is a commercial failure. Nvidia can't sell these cards at a profit, therefore they are irrelevant and will never be in decent supply.





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Soleron said:
Squilliam said:
Based off die size alone the GT104 ought to spank Juniper good, unfortunately based off die size alone the same ought to have been said of G100.

Extrapolation from GF100 to a 256-shader part would have it as a Cypress-sized part with Juniper level performance. That's no value proposition unless Nvidia want to lose money. And AMD has a lot of price maneuvering room if they do.

I suspect that a 50% G100 would do a bit better than 50% as I suspect they could clock it a reasonable distance higher. I wouldn't be surprised if they scrapped G100 and just used an X2 variant of the G104 chip.


I heard DX10 was supposed to be the holy grail of gaming and i see little difference between DX9 and DX10.

DX11 is all hype.

Garnett said:

DX11 is all hype.


The only thing that has potential is the focus on GPGPU. Depends on whether they can make it an average consumer's need, rather than a succession of enthusiast-focused tech demos.

Damn, just imagine the profits. Each card should earn some $150 on profits for ATI. Nvidia, in the other hand...
I still hope the market becomes more competitive and we have some lower prices soon.