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libellule said:
MikeB said:

Sadly the management didn’t realize what gem they had acquired. Big C= was a PC manufacturer too and using off the shelf part combined with cheap clunky flawed MSDOS this looked less risky to them, not realizing (like Apple and IBM) multi-media like the Amiga was capable of was the way of the future. Amiga designers hid easter eggs in AmigaOS like “We made Amiga, They fucked it up” (1986).


Which is part of the story, the head of technology engineering at Apple in the mid 80s till 90s did understand the potential:

"When the Amiga came out, everyone was scared as hell. No one could figure out how they packed so much power into its off-the-shelf parts." Apple's Mac was still black and white, cost more, and could only do one thing at a time. But, Apple advertised; Commodore didn't. "We [Apple] were really scared of the Amiga. Fortunately, Irving Gould [CEO of Commodore] helped Apple by running Commodore into the ground."

He later tried to mimic AmigaOS with his company Be Inc, once a company worth a billion dollars. But Microsoft blocked PC manufacturers to bundle Windows as well as BeOS with systems eventually running the company into the ground. Microsoft in the ended up paying 10 million dollars to stockholders while persisting on admitting no wrong droing.

He was right to be scared, even in the mid 90s when my Amiga saw ever fewer software support due to C='s demise, my Amiga was able to emulate 68k MacOS faster than the fastest 68k Macintosh could. Handy in such times and I could even multi-task!

you know, I think I got the "big picture"

but I fail to precisely see the "timing" and the "real" moves

OK, APPLE was dominated but advertised better
but what about PC and windows ?

On the PC MSDOS pretty much dominated until the release of Windows 95 (finally multi-tasking, but much worse than on Amigas, Apple took even longer perform real multi-tasking) which released more than a decade after the release of the Amiga 1000 and 1 and a half years after C= declared bankruptcy. MSDOS was a very flawed operating system, it's an actual code level copy of CP/M but with more shortcomings. Microsoft bought the (stolen) QDOS and rebranded it MSDOS and partnered with IBM, I think it's one of the most limited and flawed operating systems ever created.

Apple used the Motorola 68k series CPU, this is why Amigas were so well suited to emulate MacOS through simply an emulator program such as Shapeshifter. The x86 CPUs provide a much less modern architecture with lots of core flaws, emulating the architecture required a lot of performance because it is so different and obsolete, upgraded Amigas were fast enough though to emulate MSDOS/Windows3.x through software (such as PC Task), but for a 7 Mhz Amiga to emulate a x86 PC you would need a PC board which basically had a x86 CPU on it. Still a nice option for some as you could have a PC as well as Amiga in one box and you could have MSDOS run inside an Amiga window, so using both operating systems simultaneously on 1 screen.

The other way around for a PC to emulate classic Amigas took a long time to develop, UAE stands for UNIX Amiga Emulator, although the "U" originally stood for "Unusable" as in 1996 on a 90Mhz Pentium the emulation was still about one third as fast as a 7 MHz A1000 from 1985. UAE has meanwhile been ported to many systems including Windows.

Nowadays emulating classic 68k Amiga software generally provides a pleasant experience, although you may endure some sound stuttering here and there or less instant responses times than you would with a real classic Amiga. There are also advantages and UAE has also become an important emulator for running old software on AmigaOS4.x, but it runs more transparent, you can for example simply double click a game icon and the game boots (from the user's perspective) as a normal game.



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That was a fun era in computing.  I miss those days.



@ libellule

With regard to expensive high end PCs vs cheap low end entry model Amiga gaming look at these videos for comparisons regarding late 80s till early 90s games (earlier PC games were limited to mostly simple text games):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cETl8PhUy_E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e4uwzNkUVE



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god damn Amiga was awesome my first computer system and my first exposure to computer games (Mega lo mania, Chuck Rock 2 and many more that I can't remember) man good times.



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BTW that game was a Commodore 64 original. The PC conversion was also rather sucky compared to the Atari ST/Amiga conversions.



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MikeB said:
@ libellule

With regard to expensive high end PCs vs cheap low end entry model Amiga gaming look at these videos for comparisons regarding late 80s till early 90s games (earlier PC games were limited to mostly simple text games):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cETl8PhUy_E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e4uwzNkUVE

OMG so many great memories how could I have forgotten Stunt car racer, Marble Madness, I had one of the lotus games, Defender of the crown (OMG spent a lot of time playing this lol god damn robbin hood and you got to rescue damsils in distress lol) oh there were so many I really got to get an emulator up and running since my ol Amega was killed sob stupid little bro.



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@ zarx

You can get a legal Amiga emulation package from here:
http://www.amigaforever.com/

This includes Kickstart 1.0 to 3.1 Amiga Roms and should allow you to run most A500 / A1200 games. You can run AmigaOS up till 3.9, only you can't use AmigaOS 3.x PPC software like these ports (they do run on AmigaOS 4.x):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao7haFa2iQk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1OkvNlBXgE

John Carmack once lied the Amiga wasn't capable of running games like Doom, but in reality Doom runs on Amiga configurations well older than Doom can run on the oldest compatible PC...



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MikeB said:
@ libellule

With regard to expensive high end PCs vs cheap low end entry model Amiga gaming look at these videos for comparisons regarding late 80s till early 90s games (earlier PC games were limited to mostly simple text games):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cETl8PhUy_E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e4uwzNkUVE

thx you for the video/explanation

so basically, if you consider an even earlier period (before late 80), the Amiga would dominate the PC even more ?



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@ libellule

This was about as good as it got on a mid-80s PC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTJPGDTD0m4

Sound and graphics capabilities were awful compared to Amiga (as well as OS features).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS-NYK-8KL0

Actually even Commodore 64 games looked and sounded better than early 80s PC games.



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MikeB said:

John Carmack once lied the Amiga wasn't capable of running games like Doom, but in reality Doom runs on Amiga configurations well older than Doom can run on the oldest compatible PC...

Not only was it a lie, my 25 Mhz Amiga 4000, which was first released well before Doom was released is even able to run ID Software's Quake from 1996:

http://www.clickboom.com/quake/requirements.html

It did not run well without additional expansions (like the expanded Amiga 1200 video linked earlier), but it runs, which couldn't be said for top range PCs available at the time of the Amiga 4000's release.



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