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sbvgc2012 on 16 April 2010
Stanislav.Ten said:
sbvgc2012 said:
Zedex said:

Looking at the top sellers from ps3 and comparing it with xbox 360 it is clear that ps3 exclusives DO NOT sell that well (compared to xbox exclusives) Here are a few examples:

Uncharted-3.10                                                                                       Gears of war- 6.04mil

Uncharted2-3.13                                                                                     Gears of war 2- 5.66 mil

Killzone2- 2.25                                                                                         Halo 3- 10.93 mil

Resistance-3.68

Resistance 2- 1.85

Halo 3 sold more than Killzone 2, Resistance and Resistance2 put together!!! Why is this?

MGS4:4.68

Resistance:3.68

GT5P:3.67

MS:3.52

LBP:3.21

Uncharted 2:3.13

Uncharted:3.10

Killzone 2:2.25

Resistance 2:1.85

GOW 3:1.81

Infamous:1.46

Heavenly Sword:1.42

Heavy Rain:1.12

SOCOM:1.00

MSPR:0.90

GOW1+2:0.89

Valkryia Chronicles:0.88

Mag:0.75

DS:0.74

Yakuza 3:0.71

WKC:0.56

Yakuza 4:0.49

40.93,if you put PS3 great exclusives together,it's not "SO BADLY" anymore,just too much great exclusives to buy,IMO,they separates sales.AS for XBOX360 exclusives,there ain't much great exclusives to choose on.

XBOX360 now means old tech(can never bring out games like MAG),substandard product(23.7% failure rate from SQUARE TRADE),old exclusives(you just showed it),no bluray(this is not 20th century anymore),but very very good advertisng skill I have to admit that.

Still PS3 has been rising steadily since its launch day according to VGCHARTZ sales number,that says quality really means a lot.

 

Halo and GOW franchises add up to 40M by themselves, if not more. I can't believe you have counted ALL of the exclusives, I can go ahead and throw in some of the 360 exclusives that no one but me has ever heard of, Shadowrun for example, then numerous JRPG that have been released over the last few years to make it seem like the exclusive list on 360 is long, but alas, that would be misrepresentation. In my personal opinion only those that attain more than 1M sales can be considered a success.

Listed ALL exclusives,NO.

Listed great exclusives,YES.

Every PS3 great game will keep selling along with PS3's rising,Kinda like Uncharted series in a way.

Uncharted FW sales:0.13M

Uncharted LW sales:3.10M(Turned the FW sales numbers over,LOL)

Uncharted 2 FW sales:0.85M

Uncharted 2 LW sales:3.13M



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jbrist on 16 April 2010
Stanislav.Ten said:
sbvgc2012 said:
Zedex said:

Looking at the top sellers from ps3 and comparing it with xbox 360 it is clear that ps3 exclusives DO NOT sell that well (compared to xbox exclusives) Here are a few examples:

Uncharted-3.10                                                                                       Gears of war- 6.04mil

Uncharted2-3.13                                                                                     Gears of war 2- 5.66 mil

Killzone2- 2.25                                                                                         Halo 3- 10.93 mil

Resistance-3.68

Resistance 2- 1.85

Halo 3 sold more than Killzone 2, Resistance and Resistance2 put together!!! Why is this?

MGS4:4.68

Resistance:3.68

GT5P:3.67

MS:3.52

LBP:3.21

Uncharted 2:3.13

Uncharted:3.10

Killzone 2:2.25

Resistance 2:1.85

GOW 3:1.81

Infamous:1.46

Heavenly Sword:1.42

Heavy Rain:1.12

SOCOM:1.00

MSPR:0.90

GOW1+2:0.89

Valkryia Chronicles:0.88

Mag:0.75

DS:0.74

Yakuza 3:0.71

WKC:0.56

Yakuza 4:0.49

40.93,if you put PS3 great exclusives together,it's not "SO BADLY" anymore,just too much great exclusives to buy,IMO,they separates sales.AS for XBOX360 exclusives,there ain't much great exclusives to choose on.

XBOX360 now means old tech(can never bring out games like MAG),substandard product(23.7% failure rate from SQUARE TRADE),old exclusives(you just showed it),no bluray(this is not 20th century anymore),but very very good advertisng skill I have to admit that.

Still PS3 has been rising steadily since its launch day according to VGCHARTZ sales number,that says quality really means a lot.

 

Halo and GOW franchises add up to 40M by themselves, if not more. I can't believe you have counted ALL of the exclusives, I can go ahead and throw in some of the 360 exclusives that no one but me has ever heard of, Shadowrun for example, then numerous JRPG that have been released over the last few years to make it seem like the exclusive list on 360 is long, but alas, that would be misrepresentation. In my personal opinion only those that attain more than 1M sales can be considered a success.

Seriously? Well we're talking about this generation, PS3 v 360, not the original XBOX, if we're doing that, then Gran Turismo Series > Halo + God of War series...

 

Not bad, eh?



d21lewis on 16 April 2010
WereKitten said:
d21lewis said:
360 has higher attach rate

True, but not that important. Attach rate goes up with time as console owners of old accumulate games, and the 360 had a full year-to-fifteen months headstart over the PS3. Putting in a few numbers we can calculate the average number of games bought per console per week of ownership, calculated as 2*attach ratio/weeks:

AMERICA: 

360
November 22nd, 2005    225w        10.76  ->     0.095 sales/(console*week)
PS3
November 17th, 2006    175w        8.78    ->     0.100 sales/(console*week)

TOTAL OTHERS:

360
December 2nd, 2005    224w        5.96    ->    0.053 sales/(console*week)
PS3
March 23rd, 2007         156w        6.12    ->    0.078 sales/(console*week)

JAPAN:

360
December 10th, 2005    223w        5.29   ->     0.047 sales/(console*week)
PS3
November 11th, 2006    176w        3.91   ->    0.044 sales/(console*week)

 

If I publish a new game today, this number is more relevant to project future sales for each region and platform than the "naked" attach rate, again because the attach rate is an historic total but not an estimate of the current sale speed. The numbers show that on average I can expect slightly better future sales per install base console on the PS3 in America, and quite better in Others. In the end the conclusion is that if sales are lower then you'd better blame the install base than the like of attach or tie ratios.

NB: this number is -of course- an incredibly rough average over all software sales, especially useless when we talk of big hitting exclusives, but still not more so that the attach rate and actually more statistically meaningful.

That post of mine is probably the most quoted thing I've ever posted.......but yesterday morning, I wasn't quite myself.  I made a few posts that didn't really have much thought behind them at all........



PlaystaionGamer on 16 April 2010

this is why:

PS2 - 150,000,000 users - PS3 Attach rate: 34,000,000 so coming from such a huge number means that everyone has such a different range of games that you have to accept that although the PS3 has some of the best (if not the best) games around at the mo but the attach rate is going to be alot less



sbvgc2012 on 16 April 2010
sbvgc2012 said:
Stanislav.Ten said:
sbvgc2012 said:
Zedex said:

Looking at the top sellers from ps3 and comparing it with xbox 360 it is clear that ps3 exclusives DO NOT sell that well (compared to xbox exclusives) Here are a few examples:

Uncharted-3.10                                                                                       Gears of war- 6.04mil

Uncharted2-3.13                                                                                     Gears of war 2- 5.66 mil

Killzone2- 2.25                                                                                         Halo 3- 10.93 mil

Resistance-3.68

Resistance 2- 1.85

Halo 3 sold more than Killzone 2, Resistance and Resistance2 put together!!! Why is this?

MGS4:4.68

Resistance:3.68

GT5P:3.67

MS:3.52

LBP:3.21

Uncharted 2:3.13

Uncharted:3.10

Killzone 2:2.25

Resistance 2:1.85

GOW 3:1.81

Infamous:1.46

Heavenly Sword:1.42

Heavy Rain:1.12

SOCOM:1.00

MSPR:0.90

GOW1+2:0.89

Valkryia Chronicles:0.88

Mag:0.75

DS:0.74

Yakuza 3:0.71

WKC:0.56

Yakuza 4:0.49

40.93,if you put PS3 great exclusives together,it's not "SO BADLY" anymore,just too much great exclusives to buy,IMO,they separates sales.AS for XBOX360 exclusives,there ain't much great exclusives to choose on.

XBOX360 now means old tech(can never bring out games like MAG),substandard product(23.7% failure rate from SQUARE TRADE),old exclusives(you just showed it),no bluray(this is not 20th century anymore),but very very good advertisng skill I have to admit that.

Still PS3 has been rising steadily since its launch day according to VGCHARTZ sales number,that says quality really means a lot.

 

Halo and GOW franchises add up to 40M by themselves, if not more. I can't believe you have counted ALL of the exclusives, I can go ahead and throw in some of the 360 exclusives that no one but me has ever heard of, Shadowrun for example, then numerous JRPG that have been released over the last few years to make it seem like the exclusive list on 360 is long, but alas, that would be misrepresentation. In my personal opinion only those that attain more than 1M sales can be considered a success.

Listed ALL exclusives,NO.

Listed great exclusives,YES.

Every PS3 great game will keep selling along with PS3's rising,Kinda like Uncharted series in a way.

Uncharted FW sales:0.13M

Uncharted LW sales:3.10M(Turned the FW sales numbers over,LOL)

Uncharted 2 FW sales:0.85M

Uncharted 2 LW sales:3.13M

Adding on

Resistance FW sales:0.24M

Resistance LW sales:3.68M

GT5P FW sales:0.65M

GT5P LW sales:3.67M

KZ2 FW sales:0.75M

KZ2 LW sales:2.25M

Infamous FW sales:0.27M

Infamous LW sales:1.46M

Heavenly Sword FW sales:0.10M

Heavenly Sword LW sales:1.42M

LBP FW sales:0.33M

LBP LW sales:3.21M

So according to VGCHARTZ,PS3 great games will keep selling along with its rising.



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jbrist on 16 April 2010

Lol yeah, for some reason, PS3 exclusives have amazing legs, it's unbelievable, I wonder how long it'll take inFamous to cross the 2m line, haha.

I've got a task for someone:

Of each PS3 Exclusive listed by sbvgc2012, find out how much they sold last week, not overall, but just for that week, for example, we know LittleBigPlanet sold close to 40k, which is great considering it's a whole 18 months old.



Stanislav.Ten on 16 April 2010

The point it, as the rate at which they are rising, despite being moderately good are just not large enough to catch up with the exclusives that are already out, mainly the juggernauts, I admit that PS3 has some great exclusives but some 7-8 of the ones that were listed in that list have been out for quite a period of time(Most for more than a year) and yet the sales remain low. Yakuza 3 being a prime example, I have seen it in UK stores for as low as £22, around £13 off it's original price despite being released in the UK sometime this month. Not saying that those exclusives are bad, just the sales are poor. I really have no clue what the PS3 owners play if out of 34M only a small margin buy the exclusives.



 

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Kenoid on 16 April 2010

But the PS3 still has more exclusives, so the sales are equal



                                  

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Tridrakious on 16 April 2010

In the first year and half of the PS3 life it was marketed as a really cheap Blu-Ray player and oh yeah it plays games.

For 4 to 5 months after the PS3 was only really Resistance........4 to 5 months later Motorstorm......couple weeks later a one year old port of Obilivon was released........then in November 07 Uncharted: Drake's Fortune.



Hoops84 on 16 April 2010

Yeah this is kinda a retarded thread. Gran Turismo is the only game that will compete with Halo, probably easily surpass Halo 3 #'s. and the other obvious reason is the PS3 has a much smaller install base, and many PS3's being purchased as bluray players with only a few select games. 360 gamers tend to be mindless zombies who play first person shooters and could care less about story or dare I say it, graphics. (Halo anyone?) Just some opinions stated.