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Khuutra said:
Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:

There's no reason to think so, since bursts of light don't make Link tangible.

Has that been proven?

That bright light doesn't do to Link what it does to Sirens? Yeah.

You take away Ganon's invisibility by lighting a bunch of torches and flooding the place with bright light. This doesn't affect the Magic Cape.

The areas with Sirens are also lit up, some are directly next to torches on walls.

Helios Head Beam (the power of the sun?) is a lot different then a few torches.



                            

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Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:

That bright light doesn't do to Link what it does to Sirens? Yeah.

You take away Ganon's invisibility by lighting a bunch of torches and flooding the place with bright light. This doesn't affect the Magic Cape.

The areas with Sirens are also lit up, some are directly next to torches on walls.

Helios Head Beam (the power of the sun?) is a lot different then a few torches.

Fair enough. Canonically speaking it would make sense that the only reason Sirens didn't use the power before Kratos ripped off Helios's head is because they can't turn intangible in sunlight, even if it's not shining directly on them. That makes sense, right? After all, when you run into Sirens in GoW3, the Sun is literally gone.



Khuutra said:
Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:

There's no reason to think so, since bursts of light don't make Link tangible.

Has that been proven?

That bright light doesn't do to Link what it does to Sirens? Yeah.

You take away Ganon's invisibility by lighting a bunch of torches and flooding the place with bright light. This doesn't affect the Magic Cape.


This isn't any ordinary light, it's the light of a god..the head of helios not a simple torch. Siren are magical creatures so I'm sure it has the ability to negate so magical abilities.



Khuutra said:
Xero said:
Khuutra said:

Kratos abandons control of fate in the end of GoW2 in pursuit of his vengeance - he'd have ot travel back to the loom again. And he's plenty capable of dying.

He can die, but the underworld can't hold him. And I don't think traveling back to the loom again would be a problem. 

Plus,  Kratos has the wings of icarus and boots of speed. Whilst for the sake of balancing issues in-game these can't be used to fly or run quickly for any sustained period. Kratos would be able to use these to there full effects, as in he'd be lightening fast and able to fly. 

Solid argument, but it requires Kratos to abandon the fight to pursue other goals, which defeats the entire question of Who Would Beat Up Who (TM). In this context, Link beats up Kratos, which is all that I'm talking about.

The Wings of Icarus don't allow him to fly unless there's an updraft, and this is true even in cutscenes, and canonically Kratos can only use Hermes's boosts for bursts of speedo ver short distances, because he can't control them very well. There's o instance, cutscene or otherwise, where he uses them in other ways.

As I said however, that's just how the developers have made the gameplay. The trait of the wings of iccarus are that they allow the bearer to fly, as they allowed icarus to fly in a cut-scene beforehand. And as the speed boots allowed (was it hermes?) to go superfast before Kratos took them off him. Not that I think flying would particularly aid Kratos vs Link since Kratos has no ranged aerial attacks and taking flight would arguably put him at a disadvantage leaving him vulnerable to links ranged equipments. 

As for whoever said 'didn't he drop to the underworld when he fell off gaia' I got the impression that the fall had killed him and that's why he went to hell. If you look at the structure of heaven/hell/earth in greek mythology I don't believe it's possible just to fall down to hell, and if It is I think the fall kills you anyway. I don't believe it's possible to be considered 'alive' in hill so I guess your status changes to dead as soon as you enter. 



caz604 said:
As always, Khuutra, your debating skills are top notch.

This reminds me of the great debate of the Marvel Universe vs the DC Comics Universe.
Mythos from the real world... changed and adapted for mythos in the video game world...

I myself would have to go with which world the fight would take place.

If it was in the God of War Universe with the laws of physics and magic from that world, then Kratos would win.

If fought in Hyrule, Kratos doesn't stand a chance.

However, if on a neutral world, we need goalposts and the new laws of physics and magic to have a nice solid debate.

His debating skills are to ignore logic and use double standards to his advantage.



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Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:
Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:

There's no reason to think so, since bursts of light don't make Link tangible.

Has that been proven?

That bright light doesn't do to Link what it does to Sirens? Yeah.

You take away Ganon's invisibility by lighting a bunch of torches and flooding the place with bright light. This doesn't affect the Magic Cape.

The areas with Sirens are also lit up, some are directly next to torches on walls.

Helios Head Beam (the power of the sun?) is a lot different then a few torches.

Helios head beam shows the entity as it's 'trueform'. That's why it also changes physical objects like walls into there trueform. 



Khuutra said:
Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:

That bright light doesn't do to Link what it does to Sirens? Yeah.

You take away Ganon's invisibility by lighting a bunch of torches and flooding the place with bright light. This doesn't affect the Magic Cape.

The areas with Sirens are also lit up, some are directly next to torches on walls.

Helios Head Beam (the power of the sun?) is a lot different then a few torches.

Fair enough. Canonically speaking it would make sense that the only reason Sirens didn't use the power before Kratos ripped off Helios's head is because they can't turn intangible in sunlight, even if it's not shining directly on them. That makes sense, right? After all, when you run into Sirens in GoW3, the Sun is literally gone.

True, it could mean that... But i don't think there is any proof of it.



                            

Xero said:
Khuutra said:

Solid argument, but it requires Kratos to abandon the fight to pursue other goals, which defeats the entire question of Who Would Beat Up Who (TM). In this context, Link beats up Kratos, which is all that I'm talking about.

The Wings of Icarus don't allow him to fly unless there's an updraft, and this is true even in cutscenes, and canonically Kratos can only use Hermes's boosts for bursts of speedo ver short distances, because he can't control them very well. There's o instance, cutscene or otherwise, where he uses them in other ways.

As I said however, that's just how the developers have made the gameplay. The trait of the wings of iccarus are that they allow the bearer to fly, as they allowed icarus to fly in a cut-scene beforehand. And as the speed boots allowed (was it hermes?) to go superfast before Kratos took them off him. Not that I think flying would particularly aid Kratos vs Link since Kratos has no ranged aerial attacks and taking flight would arguably put him at a disadvantage leaving him vulnerable to links ranged equipments. 

As for whoever said 'didn't he drop to the underworld when he fell off gaia' I got the impression that the fall had killed him and that's why he went to hell. If you look at the structure of heaven/hell/earth in greek mythology I don't believe it's possible just to fall down to hell, and if It is I think the fall kills you anyway. I don't believe it's possible to be considered 'alive' in hill so I guess your status changes to dead as soon as you enter. 

It's not just a gameplay problem, though, it holds in every single cutscene as well. Icarus never flew in God of War II - he just fell. Kratos can only fly with the Wings of Icarus when there's an updraft. When he has to fly upward in God of War III, he has to create an updraft first, and this is true even in cutscenes - shown most plainly when Kratos has to fly up out of Hades to reach the Labyrinth very quickly, and a third party uses their fiery powers to create an updraft for him. The same holds true for the Hermes Sandals - he never uses them to just run up the Chain of Olympus like Hermes did, which means that he most probably can't (since it would have been very useful).

Kratos falls from Olympus straight into the River Styx. He never hits the ground. In another sequence he falls from the Labyrinth straight to the Underworld and lands on his feet with no damage. If you die during this sequence, you don't make it to the underworld, since it's not clear what happens to souls now that Hades is gone.

Did you never play God of War III? There's dead air between Olympus and the underworld because Olympus's base is in the River Styx.



Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:

Fair enough. Canonically speaking it would make sense that the only reason Sirens didn't use the power before Kratos ripped off Helios's head is because they can't turn intangible in sunlight, even if it's not shining directly on them. That makes sense, right? After all, when you run into Sirens in GoW3, the Sun is literally gone.

True, it could mean that... But i don't think there is any proof of it.

That's also fair enough, but it's pretty much the only explanation we have, isn't it? Sunlight reveals the true nature of things.

Link's Magic Cape works in sunlight, it works in bright Light, it allows him to pass through magical fires. There's nothing canonically that's able to dispel that magic. Assumign that Kratos's use of Helios's Head could dispel it is assuming things outside of canon.



Xero said:
Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:
Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:

There's no reason to think so, since bursts of light don't make Link tangible.

Has that been proven?

That bright light doesn't do to Link what it does to Sirens? Yeah.

You take away Ganon's invisibility by lighting a bunch of torches and flooding the place with bright light. This doesn't affect the Magic Cape.

The areas with Sirens are also lit up, some are directly next to torches on walls.

Helios Head Beam (the power of the sun?) is a lot different then a few torches.

Helios head beam shows the entity as it's 'trueform'. That's why it also changes physical objects like walls into there trueform. 

True. Forgot all about that. And the walls are still hidden in the sunlight so...

Yeah

It's more than likely that it WOULD make Link tangible.