Not sure if this has been posted but

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFAK8ubYtZE&feature=related

Take that as you will.

I'm not defending or attacking either belief - I'm waiting to hear more from MS at the next E3. I was just pointing out that Milo is, at best, what those in the industry refer to as 'narrow', 'weak' or 'applied' ai, in which the software follows a series of instructions given to it by its programmers in order to simulate consciousness and intelligence, as opposed to actually possessing either of these traits (strong ai, which no-one has actually created yet btw), and that could well be what Molyneaux meant when he said

“You’ve got to remember that we’re not creating a piece of academic research; Milo can’t actually think – we’re just making the illusion that he can,” he said.

I have to go with CGI on this until it is disproved it IS amazing. I am not sure it cannot be done and I believe you will always have certain limitation which you can call "Smoke & Mirrors" if it makes you feel comfortable.

What I cannot sit here and do is pretend the demo never happened or that it did not give us a glimpse of the potential.

If this Milo Presentation is real, then why does Milo look to the side when he talks to Claire?

On a screen, if you want to create the impression someone is looking AT you, you need to make him look straight ahead, and he will appear to be looking at you from any given angle.

In the Presentation, it seems to US, from the angle of the observing, and fixed Camera, that Milo looks at Claire, but from her actual angle he was looking somewhere else in the room.


This looks to me like the Milo Footage was inserted later, to appear more natural to the viewer of the Video, as opposed to Claire. Which in conclusion makes Peter's comments less believable, when he points out how immersed she was when she reached for the goggles.

So, even if this was a real time presentation of the Project, Claire was acting, not reacting.

Gotta love these lame counter against the "Milo" video...let's jsut overlook ALL the other demo videos of Natal.

Milo was not fake.

Look here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/e3-project-natal-hands-on

I give you a quote:

instead we're presented with Milo on his own, sitting on a swing by a river. Molyneux invites me to try interacting with him by standing in front of the screen and moving around the room.

As I move, the camera moves with me. Shift your body left and the camera pans left; tilt your body forwards and it zooms in, and so on. "Normally you'd be using the right thumbstick for this," observes Molyneux. It's a bit disconcerting, but in a good way; looking around to change your viewpoint feels a lot more natural than pushing a stick.

or

Now, he says, we're going to train Milo to recognise me. I'm told to smile and frown to start the process off, and I try to make things easy for Milo by exaggerating my expressions like a gurning champion at a rave. "That's too much," says Molyneux. "You don't smile and frown like that in real life, do you?" He clearly hasn't seen my Facebook page.

I tone it down a bit and sure enough, Milo jumps off his swing and walks towards me. "You OK?" he says.

"Wearing black, I see. It suits you." He's not wrong. About the first bit, anyway. But once the shock of Milo noticing this wears off, I realise he hasn't answered my question. Perhaps this is one of the tricks used to make you think he's real; and they are indeed tricks, as Molyneux is happy to admit.

It's unnerving, there's no doubt about it. Instinctively I reply, "Yes, thank you. How are you?"

 

SO who do you believe Eurogamer or a random youtube video?

Can we believe both?

i believe they had a polished Concept-Video for the Public, and a behind the screens showing for journalists of the Project in its early stages.

it's just a sign that the development was not ready then for a public showing and to avoid misunderstandings of how it will be like, that is not necessarily a bad thing, unless the finished product will not live up to the presentation.

Besides, doesn't the Article actually confirm that the Milo Video was staged? Since the camera doesn't pan with Claire's movements as stated in the Article.

Milo a game for people with no life what so ever. Instead of going out and talking to your friends in real life lets stand and talk to a virtual being and pretend we are playing with him. Yeah thats so fun lol. Groundbreaking. Yeah something like that would be groundbreaking if it wasn't scripted.

oh well, we tried

Maybe those who believe it's not scripted are not aware that speech synthesis (nevermind speech recognition or AI) is not sufficiently advanced to generate the correct, flowing speech that the demo had.

Asking for proof that it was scripted is like asking for proof that Santa Claus doesn't exist. It isn't really possible to prove it, but common sense and a little knowledge (if you have it) will help you see it.