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Plaupius said:
vlad321 said:

No. Mac PCs are a piece of shit. When it comes to price/performance, the Macs fail worse than an illiterate redneck in an advanced Literature course.

Macs are for people who don't have the capacity to learn basics of computing, i.e. older people and children, and that's about it.

I once spend about a week and a half exclusively on a Mac. THe whole "it just works" schtick is so absolutely false. It also has annoying defaults, like the jumping dock icons, that need to be fixed. It also had no less problems than when I was using Windows. All in all, you are pissing away your money for a product that's crap compared to Windows. Since everything is basically the same it falls down to functionality and nothing beats Windows and the amount of software it handles.

I probably shouldn't bother with you, but that's just insulting. I'm a software developer, I have both the capacity to learn more than the basics of computing and a track record of doing that. And I use Macs. So your statement is just pure and utter garbage.

I will gladly explain. Apple's justification for adding about $500, at the lowest level, to hardware is its OS. It's ability to be used by anyone with the general tag line of "it just works." You also cannot argue that OSX runs less amount of software than Windows. I'm running a few programs which have yet to be ported to OSX or Linux, in fact.

What do you get when you add those statements together? $500 for an easy-to use out of the box product with less functionality and remember that this is the best case scenario, unless hardware became more expensive or Macs cheaper in the last year that I looked into Mac prices. The only people who should fall into this trap of Apple's are the elderly, the children, or anyone who doesn't know how to work a computer. There is no reason for someone to waste their money on the "ease of use with limitations" unless the ease of use outweighs the price+functionality by a whole lot. It seems to me that the only case that would happen would be among the groups I mentioned above.

The one exception to the rule is media, even I go to our mac lab whenever I get one of those bullshit graphics or audio assignments. They just have the best software to handle those tasks.



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@ Plaupius

An Apple related Amiga quote (from 1996, head of Macintosh development / chief engineering in the 80s until the early 90s):

"When the Amiga came out, everyone was scared as hell. No one could figure out how they packed so much power into its off-the-shelf parts."

I guess they were also worried people like me could run MacOS emulated faster from within AmigaOS than the fastest Mac could. 8-)

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Depends what you're looking for. If you get a Mac and you're just going to install Windows and use it like you would any normal computer then it's a complete waste of money as you can get a much better piece of hardware.

The advantage of Mac is that the OS is both user-friendly and designed with the hardware in mind. Apple only have a set number of configurations to program for meaning it should run faster and more efficiently than Windows on an equivalent system.



I was a PC owner for ages, but i bought a Mac in 09 and im extremely happy, i much prefer Mac OS to Windows.

However if you are looking for performance/price combo go for a PC , you can build a much more powerful machine for much cheaper.



NiKKoM said:
Mummelmann said:

Its certainly not what I want but that doesn't matter, my needs and wants are quite a ways from average after all.

So... how much porn is ways from average?

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rakugakist said:
nightsurge said:
rakugakist said:
It's funny how many people here think that Macs are for lazy people or for people who just want to be cool. Does anyone here do animation or video editing for a living? Macs are extremely efficient and run just as many programs as PC's incredibly well. Hell, I can even run Windows from my Mac, in full form, no problem.

It's fine if you prefer PC's, many people do, but don't act like you know all Mac users are lazy or just trying to be hip. It makes you seem extremely uninformed and ignorant.

Ah, another misconception.  The notion that a Mac is somehow better than a PC for multimedia and art related fields.  Most professional multimedia developers use PCs.  The ones that use Macs still use the same programs that they could use on a much more powerful PC for cheaper.  Really there is no reason to pick a Mac over a PC if you want to be some sort animator, graphic artist, video editor, etc.

I prefer FCP and the UI on a Mac, and most people I work with prefer the same.  I will also take Maya on a Mac any day of the week.  It all comes down to preference I suppose, are you a member of the field?

I am mostly a software engineer and desktop support/hardware support, but I have used both new Macs and new PCs to do various personal multimedia projects.  For me, after using PCs my whole life, getting used to the differences in the Mac OS felt very strange and uncomfortable to me.  But I was merely commenting on the performance of the machines, and for the price of a Mac I could get a much faster processor, more/faster ram, and more hard drive space for a PC, not to mention a better graphics card which makes a big difference in programs like Maya or ones that can use CUDA technology.



Haha, I love how people just assume that Macs are for people who don't understand computers. Actually, the percentage of software developers who use Macs is much higher than the percentage of the general population who use Macs.

Macs are superior in a lot of ways: security, stability, ease of use, developer tools, and very high efficiency and control for user applications.

PCs (running Windows) are also superior in a lot of ways: many more hardware customization/upgrading options, the availability of very cheap components, and a vastly larger selection of software (especially games).

In my opinion, it all comes down to personal choice. I like them both and I think people that argue that "people that use operating system ___ are insane, stupid, or deluded" should probably take a look in the mirror.



Solid_Snake4RD said:
PC are hands down better than MACs.

Most people only buy MAC or other Apple products cause they are the 'COOL' thing of today and having it is a style statement.Showing off.No wonder iPHONE sold so well even though it had nothing

How can you say that an iphone has nothing? Sorry, but in my opinion, you are wrong. The iphone has a multitouch screen better than almost every other touch screen devices on the market (I have seen de HTC diomonds, the Androids, the Nokias, etc) and for the normal user, there is no comparison. Also you have a decent mp3 player, 3G, gps, games, a good online service. Maybe all of the iphone services and functions are not the best of the market, but the important thing is that, thanks to the touch screen and the userface, it delivers a unique and simple experience for the average consumer. Yes, it lacks and external memory port, yes, it doesnt works as a hard drive, and a lot of other things. So, I think it had, for the time, a lot of stuff.

 

Now, going back to the main topic, MACs are more expensive, but in my opinion the perform way better than a equivalet pc, more smooth, less crashes, etc.

Now, its only my opinion.



macs just looks a lot prettier than most pre made PC's



vlad321 said:

No. Mac PCs are a piece of shit. When it comes to price/performance, the Macs fail worse than an illiterate redneck in an advanced Literature course.

Macs are for people who don't have the capacity to learn basics of computing, i.e. older people and children, and that's about it.

I once spend about a week and a half exclusively on a Mac. THe whole "it just works" schtick is so absolutely false. It also has annoying defaults, like the jumping dock icons, that need to be fixed. It also had no less problems than when I was using Windows. All in all, you are pissing away your money for a product that's crap compared to Windows. Since everything is basically the same it falls down to functionality and nothing beats Windows and the amount of software it handles.

1. Yes. The power you get for the Mac is under par for what you can get for the Mac. It's grossly disgusting the difference in power you get. In the opposing hand though it's a effecient system that mainstream consumers can get while not needing to understand the nitty gritty of computer lingo.

2. No. Working as contract IT I find the people who are most disadvanteged are older people(ok only 2). This is only due to the fact that we live in a Windows world. The older people I have worked with use or have family that use XP and can't adequetly adjust to the OSX environment. So while the hardware won't break down. Less concern with malware, viruses. I find they seem to be more willing to pay more in tech support in the long run than learning how to use OSX. I have known a few older people who have spent an unbelievable $200-350 per visit 1-3 time(different clients) for a virus clean(I don't charge those prices that's before they met me :P). In the end it would have been cheaper to buy a Mac. For you and I and heck probably 100% of the users on this board. Cleaning a virus that get's through is not hard, but for the average older consumer. A virus means they just got hit with a brick.

3. I loved those jumping icons. It was better than the crappy task bar, but I guess these are just opinions. Though I agree nothing beats Windows hands down in software. That's why I still use Windows. It's an upstream OS and remains there for the sole purpose because it's massivly domminent in market. It makes me wonder if Chrome OS will manage better?

Overall I personally cannot justify spending money on a Mac. The OSX system just doesn't support the software I need to use so often. Games ok Games.



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