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alephnull said:

I remember the stories about the some of the games, real time strategy was a genre which started on the tabletop but really evolved into something more on the PC platform especially. I was really too young to remember as I started on the MS-DOS operating system and I believe I learnt how to type before I learnt how to read or write by copying my mother and father to boot up games.

Not real time strategy, turn-based. I started more or less the same way (probably have the CS degree because of all the stuff I had to learn to get those DOS games to actually work), but my father was a war gamer in College (the 70s equivalent of the modern gamer) and would bring back copies of new games from work (the 80s equivalent of torrenting) with photo copied manuals (for the questions they would ask you to prevent piracy). The main advantage was that you didn't have to memorize the rules, and the serious war games had a lot of them.


 

Sorry, yes I meant turn based strategy. I had a bit of a brain fart for some reason.

I remember that copy protection and the photocopied manuals! On page 3 what is the first word on the second line, etc. I think Sierra games were quite famous for them and everyone hated them whether they were legitimate buyers or using copied materials. I suspect that Microsoft and Windows 95 were quite successful because DOS was quite terrible! Deliberate mediocraty is a very good incentive to get people to upgrade to your next version because its easy to be better than a terrible product. I suspect im the opposite though, IRQs and extended memory made me never want to deal with computers in a professional way!

I can't really remember many of the wargame come computer games aside from perhaps titles like Risk, however it seems there were quite a few varied board games out there which were converted into computer games.



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I find myself more interested in alephnull's sleeping habits than the actual thread.



alephnull said:
HappySqurriel said:

Personally, I think Nintendo would try to win the next generation by advancing the way games are played in a way that Sony and Microsoft wouldn’t think of or don’t seem to see the potential in. One of my thoughts on this is that Nintendo worked on improving the way that our actions in the real world were translated into the digital/videogame world by introducing (decent) motion controls; in the upcoming generation, I wouldn’t be surprised if Nintendo focused on improving how the digital/videogame world interacted with the real world.

 

Underlying this whole discussion is one's view of how innovation actually happens. When something goes well, people have every incentive to claim they knew things would work out as they did all along. The more you look into these types of claims though (in my experience), the less true they seem.

Yes and no ...

I don’t think anyone inside or outside of Nintendo knew how successful the Nintendo DS or Wii were going to be, but I think they saw the potential in taking a different approach from Sony/Microsoft in terms of how it impacted gaming and how it impacted their business. After you have a direction to move towards, in this case improving the interaction between individuals and the games they’re playing, it isn’t that difficult to continue improving; especially if (like Nintendo) you have the resources to do pure R&D in this direction internally, and have access to the R&D being done at universities around the world. Part of the reason I see Nintendo moving in the direction I suggested is that it is becoming a hot area of research in HCI (human computer interaction).



You could make the argument that Nintendo have already done that with the Wii. You could say the console isn't just a video game system with software such as Wii Fit and Wii Vitality making it more than just about video games but interactivity as a whole.

Basically I see Nintendo expanding on the thought of 'human interactivity, not just video games' and the first clue that they are headed in that direction is the rumored features of the 3DS. Nintendo seem to be deigning it around a heightened sense of interactivity, making the experience more visceral, more natural, more real.

I say this because of the following;

- 3D Autostereoscopic 3D screen/s
- Rumble support

On paper these two features seem to be off the shelf parts that anyone could chuck into a product and have a good feature list to sell there device. However it's never that simple with Nintendo. The DS has two screens, a primitive touch screen and a microphone. The combination of which gave us games like Brain Age and Nintendogs. The Wii has very primitive internal hardware compared to it's competitors, it has two accelerometers, two IR light strips, an IR light sensing camera and a speaker. Put all that together and you get titles like Wii Sports and Wii Play that have sold huge amounts and feel completely new and fresh to the player.

3D with rumble is important, with a 3D image on a 2D screen, touching something close to you would have more force feedback than something further away and would greatly add to the experience that Nintendo seem to be trying to create with the system. They want to break down that wall, the screen. They want the game to interact with the player more naturally. They want the player to feel more connected to the game. That's the genius with the Wii, it feels natural and so more people feel comfortable with it.

Nintendo seem to want to continue that and expand upon it. It seems that people right now truly have no idea how the 3DS could possibly be a true next generation system just because it has 3D and are again looking to tech specs. Many are even saying there'll be something more like when Nintendo didn't say anything about the DS touch screen at first. I'm here to say that it's the interactivity of the components we know/are rumored that will be the big draw and that Nintendo will have a hard time conveying that in videos (just like the Wii really, remember playing = believing?).

So in conclusion, Nintendo will continue to break down the wall between us and the game, just as they did with the DS, just as they are doing with Wii (WM+, Vitality Sensor) and just as they are about to do with the 3DS.



 

Squilliam said:
Cheebee said:
Squilliam said:
Cheebee said:
Hmm. Some fine thoughts there, but all that practically goes directly against everything Nintendo has been doing and saying so far... Still, you never know with them.

Nintendo is a company which tends to reinvent itself, so saying that they would never do it because they haven't done it doesn't quite work with them.

I realize that... hence the bolded. This thread has made me very curious to find out what Nintendo's up to regarding Wii's successor...

I realise that too, hence the fact that I agreed with the green part. I hate posting always to contradict people, it gets boring. Sometimes you just agree with people, ya know?

That's... startlingly refreshing! I hadn't caught on, because whenever I'm quoted it's usually by people defying my perfect logic and/or great sense of humor, thus forcing me to correct their mad reasoning with a swift but just dose of wisdom-filled re-quoting.

We should all start doing this more often, agreeing with each other. Maybe we can start a trend!



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Well, Nintendo did enter the home console market with the Famicom (Family Computer).
The words "Nintendo Entertainment System" were just used to adapt to USA standards properly.



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Cheebee said:
Squilliam said:

I realise that too, hence the fact that I agreed with the green part. I hate posting always to contradict people, it gets boring. Sometimes you just agree with people, ya know?

That's... startlingly refreshing! I hadn't caught on, because whenever I'm quoted it's usually by people defying my perfect logic and/or great sense of humor, thus forcing me to correct their mad reasoning with a swift but just dose of wisdom-filled re-quoting.

We should all start doing this more often, agreeing with each other. Maybe we can start a trend!

The trend of agreeability? Hmm that sounds like a good trend!



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Squilliam said:
Cheebee said:
Squilliam said:

I realise that too, hence the fact that I agreed with the green part. I hate posting always to contradict people, it gets boring. Sometimes you just agree with people, ya know?

That's... startlingly refreshing! I hadn't caught on, because whenever I'm quoted it's usually by people defying my perfect logic and/or great sense of humor, thus forcing me to correct their mad reasoning with a swift but just dose of wisdom-filled re-quoting.

We should all start doing this more often, agreeing with each other. Maybe we can start a trend!

The trend of agreeability? Hmm that sounds like a good trend!

I wholeheartedly agree!



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Nintendo have up until this point been the company that focussed most on making a console. They resisted turning it into a multimedia centre, they resisted turning it into a PC. Sure, they have introduced some things like the internet browser, and Netflix. But it is never a big deal. they throw it out there for people who want it and go on making games.



Squilliam said:
alephnull said:
I predict Nintendo will become a biotech company.

Lol! Why is it you barely post but if I were to go through your entire history it would show you post in threads that I post in more often than not?

ever thread ive ever read uve posted on squliiliam, so that shouldnt come to a shock to u