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woopah said:

Thats exactly the misconception i'm trying to get rid of. Pachter is a STOCK analyst. he is paid to predict and advise investment comapnies into what video game company stocks to invest in. He is not paid to send emails to internet blogs and im pretty sure he isn't paid to appear on game trailers either. As you said, you are a guy with an opinion, so is Pachter and so am I. he doesnt have any more knowledge about the VS than we do so we can take his prediction for what it is, the thoughts of a guy who knows a lot about the industry. but then so do a lot of forum goers.  We need to get rid of the whole 'why are people paying him to say stuff that I already know' because they arn't and 'pachter is a HD fanboy/wii troll' because he isn't

Well if he is always wrong about what games or systems are going to succeed or not how in hell could he "advised investment companies into what video game company stocks to invest in"?



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mike_intellivision said:
lvader said:
woopah said:
lvader said:
woopah said:
People need to see Pachter for what he is. a guy with an opinion, not some kinda of HD fnaboy or nintendo troll which is just rediculous

I'm a guy with an opinion, Pachter is a highly paid industry analyst. You would have thought that with his track record he would have been fired by now.

 

Thats exactly the misconception i'm trying to get rid of. Pachter is a STOCK analyst. he is paid to predict and advise investment comapnies into what video game company stocks to invest in. He is not paid to send emails to internet blogs and im pretty sure he isn't paid to appear on game trailers either. As you said, you are a guy with an opinion, so is Pachter and so am I. he doesnt have any more knowledge about the VS than we do so we can take his prediction for what it is, the thoughts of a guy who knows a lot about the industry. but then so do a lot of forum goers.  We need to get rid of the whole 'why are people paying him to say stuff that I already know' because they arn't and 'pachter is a HD fanboy/wii troll' because he isn't.

 

Of cause it's part of his job, not only is he required to have an opinion and comment on it, he would also be expected to drive opinion.

Related to and in support of this comment, if Patcher is only a STOCK analyst, then he should not replying to emails, he should not be commenting on his likes/dislikes, he should not be making the circuit of game sites, and he should not have his own show on Game Trailers.

He should be stating what he thinks, back it up with why, and then saying what that means for the stock prices.

In other words, as a stock analyst, he should say "I don't think the Vitality Sensor will expand the hardware demand for the Wii. It will have a limited market in fitness and related software  (such as yoga or stress management). But it is hard to see more traditional game-like applications from what we know about it right now (it is large, takes up the expansion connection  on the end of the Wii remote, and must be clamped to a finger to work). The only control scheme that could work is a point and click for a horror game -- and these have not done well on the Wii (remember Nintendo did not even bring FF IV out of Japan).  As a result, I expect there to be a slight reduction in stock prices as the R&D and marketing expenses will not be recouped (or even if they are, it will not result in high new profits).

 

If he said that, you could disagree with Pacther, but he would be doing his job -- not giving his opinion.

Mike from Morgantown

 

 

 

you really think that Wedbush is paying Pachter to write an email to cofeewithgamers? That's something Pachter does in his spare time. his work on gametrailers and his opinions he posts on neogaf are done by him as someone with an interest in videogames not as a professional. I'm sure  CliffyB for example is not paid to post on neogaf but he still does it becasue he is a gamer as well as a proffesional. Why does being a stock analyst mean he shoudn't be allowed to comment on his likes and dislikes or shouldn't be allowed to send emails?  

 

Your right, that would be the kind of thing Pachter is paid to say. But if wedbush is charging financial institutions money for this prediction,  then pachter isn't gunna allowed to blur tit all over the forums. replying to emails, predicting wii HD and appearing on gametrailers is stuff he does for fun and because it helps him in his work, but its not actually part of his job.

its all explained in the video below starting at the 3:10 mark

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/episode-104-pach-attack/62417 

 

 

 



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gum said:
woopah said:

Thats exactly the misconception i'm trying to get rid of. Pachter is a STOCK analyst. he is paid to predict and advise investment comapnies into what video game company stocks to invest in. He is not paid to send emails to internet blogs and im pretty sure he isn't paid to appear on game trailers either. As you said, you are a guy with an opinion, so is Pachter and so am I. he doesnt have any more knowledge about the VS than we do so we can take his prediction for what it is, the thoughts of a guy who knows a lot about the industry. but then so do a lot of forum goers.  We need to get rid of the whole 'why are people paying him to say stuff that I already know' because they arn't and 'pachter is a HD fanboy/wii troll' because he isn't

Well if he is always wrong about what games or systems are going to succeed or not how in hell could he "advised investment companies into what video game company stocks to invest in"?

 

Is he always wrong? he was pretty negative down about nintendo's performance last year so he probably didn't advise companies to invest in it. And that has turned out to be great advice since Nintendo's stock didn't do too well. he also correctly predicted the wii price cut. 



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As an EMT that uses this "vitality" sensor technology (also known as a pulse oximeter) on every call I need to be convinced how this will work in a video game. Ok, so it detects a persons pulse and blood oxygen level. It could have additional functionality, I'll need to wait till it's released.

The device gives the least amount of player input of any of Nintendo's peripherals (if it's primarily using pulse as input). Not only that, pulse oximeters *are* clumsy.

That said this probably still won't be a failure because I think there are legitimate instances in which this can be used effectively. Also, this is Nintendo we're talking about... they're good at selling things. That said there were definitely peripherals from the other Nintendo systems that were duds and this generation I don't think Nintendo has had even one.



woopah said:
gum said:
woopah said:

Thats exactly the misconception i'm trying to get rid of. Pachter is a STOCK analyst. he is paid to predict and advise investment comapnies into what video game company stocks to invest in. He is not paid to send emails to internet blogs and im pretty sure he isn't paid to appear on game trailers either. As you said, you are a guy with an opinion, so is Pachter and so am I. he doesnt have any more knowledge about the VS than we do so we can take his prediction for what it is, the thoughts of a guy who knows a lot about the industry. but then so do a lot of forum goers.  We need to get rid of the whole 'why are people paying him to say stuff that I already know' because they arn't and 'pachter is a HD fanboy/wii troll' because he isn't

Well if he is always wrong about what games or systems are going to succeed or not how in hell could he "advised investment companies into what video game company stocks to invest in"?

 

Is he always wrong? he was pretty negative down about nintendo's performance last year so he probably didn't advise companies to invest in it. And that has turned out to be great advice since Nintendo's stock didn't do too well. he also correctly predicted the wii price cut. 

Like it has already been said, except obvious statements yes he is almost always wrong. How can a guy that didn't see the huge success of the wii coming could give any advice about this market. Perhaps I'm wrong but it seems obvious for me that to give good advices about where you should invest your money on, you have to make good predictions, to understand what will happen even if that's not a given because otherwise who needs any advice at all? If a guy like this is not able to predict better than anybody else what will happen I don't understand why anybody should think that he's more able than anybody else to give better advices for stock investments.



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Infamy79 said:
I think some clever developers could come up with some really cool features in games using the Vitality Sensor. Even EA trys to replicate something similar in the Tiger Woods golf game with the increased heart rate sound through the speakers when you are stepping up to make a big shot.

Imagine a FPS like Modern Warfare when you are defending your position, things are getting tough, your heart beat increases and the game reacts based on this. It could get more intense and throw more enemies at you to try and break you, your reflex speed could dull or maybe be sharper, if you keep the heart rate up too long you could tire out and slow down.

Only problem is fat gamers with a high resting heart rate could be screwed. Another reason for them to go and buy Wii Fit I guess.

WOW. Nintendo has done it again... That's a master strategy!!!!!

 

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gum said:
woopah said:
gum said:
woopah said:

Thats exactly the misconception i'm trying to get rid of. Pachter is a STOCK analyst. he is paid to predict and advise investment comapnies into what video game company stocks to invest in. He is not paid to send emails to internet blogs and im pretty sure he isn't paid to appear on game trailers either. As you said, you are a guy with an opinion, so is Pachter and so am I. he doesnt have any more knowledge about the VS than we do so we can take his prediction for what it is, the thoughts of a guy who knows a lot about the industry. but then so do a lot of forum goers.  We need to get rid of the whole 'why are people paying him to say stuff that I already know' because they arn't and 'pachter is a HD fanboy/wii troll' because he isn't

Well if he is always wrong about what games or systems are going to succeed or not how in hell could he "advised investment companies into what video game company stocks to invest in"?

 

Is he always wrong? he was pretty negative down about nintendo's performance last year so he probably didn't advise companies to invest in it. And that has turned out to be great advice since Nintendo's stock didn't do too well. he also correctly predicted the wii price cut. 

Like it has already been said, except obvious statements yes he is almost always wrong. How can a guy that didn't see the huge success of the wii coming could give any advice about this market. Perhaps I'm wrong but it seems obvious for me that to give good advices about where you should invest your money on, you have to make good predictions, to understand what will happen even if that's not a given because otherwise who needs any advice at all? If a guy like this is not able to predict better than anybody else what will happen I don't understand why anybody should think that he's more able than anybody else to give better advices for stock investments.

 

 

because they are vastly different things. Predicting if a wii HD should come out is not the same as predicting at what level Nintendo's stock will be at in 2 years. taking this VS debate for example, would you be that confident in VS that you would invest millions of dollars into nintendo stock? VS is an unknown, with what we've been shown we cant say that the VS will help or hinder nintendo's earnings. whereas Pachter clearly feels that Natal will be successful enough to improve microsoft's financial position. Unless you can get a list of Pachter's stock preidctions and produce some analysis on how close he was we have absoloutely no idea how good of an analyst Pachter is



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Again no they are not two different things. Stocks evolved based on the success of the products: the Nintendo's ones have increased amazingly since the wii has launched so the people who have listened to Pachter about the wii have missed a huge opportunity to earn a lot of money. I won't make a list about all his predictions but this has been probably the biggest opportunity to earn money in this market for a long time and he totally missed it so I think that's the the best possible and most significant example. And nowadays even if he was totally wrong about the wii he still seems to thinks that HD is the most important thing to succeed in this market... If he's wrong about the VS and again wrong about the success of Natal then those people will again miss another huge opportunity and or will even lose money.

I'm not saying that the VS will be a success for sure I'm just saying that it is obviously the job of an analyst to predict efficently this kind of things.



gum said:

Again no they are not two different things. Stocks evolved based on the success of the products: the Nintendo's ones have increased amazingly since the wii has launched so the people who have listened to Pachter about the wii have missed a huge opportunity to earn a lot of money. I won't make a list about all his predictions but this has been probably the biggest opportunity to earn money in this market for a long time and he totally missed it so I think that's the the best possible and most significant example. And nowadays even if he was totally wrong about the wii he still seems to thinks that HD is the most important thing to succeed in this market... If he's wrong about the VS and again wrong about the success of Natal then those people will again miss another huge opportunity and or will even lose money.

I'm not saying that the VS will be a success for sure I'm just saying that it is obviously the job of an analyst to predict efficently this kind of things.

 except that it hasn't. Nintendo's stock has been doing relatively poorly in 2009,  so if people had invested hevaily in 2008 there shares could be worth a lot less now depending on when they invested. high sales /= high stock. stock is based on future expectations and growth. nintendo's business has not been growing YoY which is why the stock price fell so much

 

As for HD, he has said many a time predicting there will be wii HD is not part of his job he just does it for fun. 



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