only777 said:
strunge said:
only777 said:
strunge said:
only777 said:
I don't know why people belive that TOS or EULA is the be all and end all. If a company makes a TOS/EULA that contradicts the law, it doesnt matter what it says.
No one has the right to decide what is and what is not legal apart from the goverment!
I brought a machine that at purchase was made clear was open platform and allowed access to PSN.
Now the PSN TOS can say what ever the fuck it likes, so long as its LAWFUL - and most of it is. Things like harasment, personal detail thieft - these are the sort of things Sony can push onto you becuase they are inline with the law. Sony do not have the right to create a TOS/EULA that violates the law of the country I live in, thats the bottom line.
My right under EU law says that what I purchase must do what it said it would do when I brought it. Now Sony CAN write what they like in their TOS/EULA, but they still can't break the law. And just becuase they wrote in the TOS/EULA that they may remove features from the PS3 OS, it doesnt make it legal!
Think of it this way, of their TOS/EULA says they can remove features of their choice. Next month they remove the feature to play Blu Ray films. Do you really think Sony wouldn't have the shit sued out of them for that?
Of course they would, they would be sued into the ground.
The difference here is that it is only a small amount of PS3 users using linux that there wont be hardly any back lash and they can get away with it.
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no, it allows access to the PSN dependent on additional requirements you must agree to. you continue to ignore that fact, and that is why your argument is worthless. the PS3 states the system provides access to the pSN, not that you are allowed to access it absent of any further requirements.
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The additional requirements in this case break EU law! Thats the point, Sony are not allowed to change the machine from what was advertised.
Answer me this then, if Sony made you choose between Blu Ray movie playback or PSN access, which of the two actions would you take?
1) Give up Blu Ray movie playback and continue to access PSN becuase their TOS/EULA says they can do what they like.
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2) Go to trading standards and complain that Sony is not living up to their end of the bargin becuase your PS3 does not do what you brought it for.
Answer that question, pick one of the two answers.
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they haven't changed the machine as it was advertised. the system is advertised as providing access to the PSN dependent upon additional requirements. you want to claim that they are required to provide the PSN without any additional regulations. that's ridiculous. if you choose not to meet those additional requirements, that is your choice, but it is dishonest to attempt to project your choices onto Sony.
show me where Sony is obligated to provide you with regulation free access to the PSN simply because you own the machine. you can't.
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THE FUCKING QUESTION, ANSWER IT.
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ASK A FUCKING MEANINGFUL QUESTION AND I'LL ANSWER IT. YOUR SPECIOUS ALTERNATIVES ARE AS FUCKING DUMB AS EVERYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE POSTED AND DON'T HAVE ANY RELEVANCE TO THE ACTUAL DISPUTE.
ALL YOU ARE TRYING TO DO IS CONFUSE THE ISSUE, AS IF WHICH I WOULD CHOOSE HAS ANY BEARING ON WHAT SONY IS ALLOWED TO DO, BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO FUCKING INTELLIGENT ARGUMENT.
